Issue of the law...
#31
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From: Mormonville, Utah!
Thanks for the info. YOu have definitely help me understand more fully both sides of this. Akbound-you have got the best formed opinion that I have seen on here as you back it up with more facts than anyone else.
keep them coming!
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keep them coming!
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#32
Fork Horn
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From: waterville/barre vermont USA
hold it! those 16 kids happened to come along one by one, year after year, by natural causes occuring betwen my grandparents! maybe being french-canadians, on a hillside farm, with no power had something to do with it, or the catholic backround, plus needing all the help you can get/raise on the farm. and they did butchering of animals for the neighbors, too. this was, however, during the 30's, 40's, and 50's. the grandmothers sister had 22 kids!! just the way things happened around here back then. shooting your food, saving the money for the kids, that was very responsible. oh, by the way, while it doesn't make too much of a difference to me, i never asked for an opinion, just was putting in my two cents like everyone else. find out why he is doing it before passing judgement.
#34
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Hello there again,
I already acknowledged what happened generations ago.....particularly during the depression, and prior to "real social assistance"......was definitely different then what is acceptable today. (Check the original several posts I made)! I also said I'd attempt to "find out what the root cause of the problem(s) were". But in today's society you do not excuse poaching for the reasons it occurred generations ago! Most poaching incidents today occur simply because someone enjoys "killing out of season...or excess of limits"......or to supplement their meager groceries (that they DON'T have as a result of spending on too many toys, supporting habits......drink-smoke-etc.) If you have two or three autos in the drive, TV's in three rooms of the house, a cabinet full of guns, ATV's sitting in the yard, a boat on the dock........don't tell me you can't feed your family. While you sit there breaking open a six pack and lighting up your 2nd pack of cigarettes for the day! Bulls**t!
And I know that kids occur "naturally". My contention is they should NOT BE NATURALLY OCCURRING AT ALL......IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO CARE FOR THEM! They are not being brought into the world today by the dozens to assist with the farm anymore, (at least not the norm). Today they tend to be brought into the world as the byproduct of careless sex....in the cases that the parent(s) can't afford for their care!
So please.....read the entire thread....if you are making presumptive comments on a particular post! If you don't....don't be surprised by the responses you sometimes get in return!
No hard feelings....just opinions!
I already acknowledged what happened generations ago.....particularly during the depression, and prior to "real social assistance"......was definitely different then what is acceptable today. (Check the original several posts I made)! I also said I'd attempt to "find out what the root cause of the problem(s) were". But in today's society you do not excuse poaching for the reasons it occurred generations ago! Most poaching incidents today occur simply because someone enjoys "killing out of season...or excess of limits"......or to supplement their meager groceries (that they DON'T have as a result of spending on too many toys, supporting habits......drink-smoke-etc.) If you have two or three autos in the drive, TV's in three rooms of the house, a cabinet full of guns, ATV's sitting in the yard, a boat on the dock........don't tell me you can't feed your family. While you sit there breaking open a six pack and lighting up your 2nd pack of cigarettes for the day! Bulls**t!
And I know that kids occur "naturally". My contention is they should NOT BE NATURALLY OCCURRING AT ALL......IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO CARE FOR THEM! They are not being brought into the world today by the dozens to assist with the farm anymore, (at least not the norm). Today they tend to be brought into the world as the byproduct of careless sex....in the cases that the parent(s) can't afford for their care!
So please.....read the entire thread....if you are making presumptive comments on a particular post! If you don't....don't be surprised by the responses you sometimes get in return!
No hard feelings....just opinions!
#35
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Bunker Hill IL USA
First of all, I'm not a religous person, but I have heard on this board over and over," God put animals on this earth to feed man & woman.". I didn't know that he meant, only if it is in season or if you have a hunting license and permits.
I would get to know the kid and find out his story and try to be a friend.
The right thing to do is not always the legal thing.
I hope that none of these "Throw the Cuffs on him." people are the same ones that said to shoot the wolves in the backyard and bury the evidence in that thread "What would you do?"
To many holyrollers in this country. The law is the law, no excuses. Sounds like that movie, Judge Dread.
To many people of power creating laws to benefit themselves or the people that can help fill their pockets.
To many DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO PEOPLE.
How many people have gone to jail stealing food?
How many Cops, Judges, Politictions, Executives, Religious leaders and their families or friends get away with all kinds of crimes?
It is a sad thing that so many god fearing people are ready to stone this kid for his crimes aganist humanity.
Yet so many people will run up to a politiction and shake their hand and say keep up the good work, while they are using tax dollars for vacations, remodeling their homes, or new cars.
I have no faith in our lawmakers, or law enforcers.
Sorry. Just venting.
I would get to know the kid and find out his story and try to be a friend.
The right thing to do is not always the legal thing.
I hope that none of these "Throw the Cuffs on him." people are the same ones that said to shoot the wolves in the backyard and bury the evidence in that thread "What would you do?"
To many holyrollers in this country. The law is the law, no excuses. Sounds like that movie, Judge Dread.
To many people of power creating laws to benefit themselves or the people that can help fill their pockets.
To many DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO PEOPLE.
How many people have gone to jail stealing food?
How many Cops, Judges, Politictions, Executives, Religious leaders and their families or friends get away with all kinds of crimes?
It is a sad thing that so many god fearing people are ready to stone this kid for his crimes aganist humanity.
Yet so many people will run up to a politiction and shake their hand and say keep up the good work, while they are using tax dollars for vacations, remodeling their homes, or new cars.
I have no faith in our lawmakers, or law enforcers.
Sorry. Just venting.
#36
Fork Horn
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From: WISCONSIN
Wow...
If the family is truly unfortunate enough to not be able to afford groceries, parents are working, and can't afford to keep food on the table, then yes, I would rather see the kid, or anyone else in the family shoot the small game rather than rob a store, rather than robbing a 7-11.
You should make sure they know the laws though, tell them that it isn't legal, find out their situation, and if nessisary, if they truly are desperate, then just let them do their own thing, and help them out when next deer season rolls around if you have extra meat.
If you don't like my opinion, I'm sorry, but it's mine, not yours... Thanks!
If the family is truly unfortunate enough to not be able to afford groceries, parents are working, and can't afford to keep food on the table, then yes, I would rather see the kid, or anyone else in the family shoot the small game rather than rob a store, rather than robbing a 7-11.
You should make sure they know the laws though, tell them that it isn't legal, find out their situation, and if nessisary, if they truly are desperate, then just let them do their own thing, and help them out when next deer season rolls around if you have extra meat.

If you don't like my opinion, I'm sorry, but it's mine, not yours... Thanks!
#37
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From: Harford Co. Maryland
akbound, who'd have thought that you and I would end up on the same page and actually agree on something?
(Just kidding, of course!)
Laws are made to be followed. If that youngster continues to poach animals, whether he's poaching big game or small, that could just create a bigger excuse for his so-called "parents" to blow even more money on things other than food.
Additionally, I taught public school for 4 years and my wife is still in education. We've both seen the results when an innocent child makes bad decisions when they're young, only to find that the world isn't as fair and nicey-nice once they grow up!
I say teach the boy a lesson now to avoid bigger problems down the road!
(Just kidding, of course!)Laws are made to be followed. If that youngster continues to poach animals, whether he's poaching big game or small, that could just create a bigger excuse for his so-called "parents" to blow even more money on things other than food.
Additionally, I taught public school for 4 years and my wife is still in education. We've both seen the results when an innocent child makes bad decisions when they're young, only to find that the world isn't as fair and nicey-nice once they grow up!
I say teach the boy a lesson now to avoid bigger problems down the road!
#38
Is it called poaching or subsidizing? One does what it takes to survive and for those of you who live in your concret jungle and go to Publix every day, you have no ideal what its like to depend on the land, its either that or starve. Fix a yearlings leg in the spring and comes a hard winter, its going to be food if need be. I would NOT be so quik to past judgement, unless you been their. I have seen families around here struggle to provide food for their table and so be it, but if I find out someone is poaching a trophy or wasting game, then thats a different story cause your stealing from the land and thats not right. Its just the way I look at it. Bobby
#39
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From: Western up state NY in the USA
I went to school in the late 70's with kids that had trouble with food on the table.
They did not hunt out of season or poach.
But when season opened every man jack one of them was out hunting what ever was open.
There are so many programs out there now for food there is no need to poach.
This is just my .02 but breaking the law is breaking the law if we don't
stop it who will every year more new laws are made & we as hunters have to pay.( more wardens) Higher lic. fees) ( higher taxes) to pay for this!!!
Hunting is having a enough trouble as it is without letting people getting away
with poaching.
I say stop it now before it gets totaly out of control small game today then what
big game.
They did not hunt out of season or poach.
But when season opened every man jack one of them was out hunting what ever was open.
There are so many programs out there now for food there is no need to poach.
This is just my .02 but breaking the law is breaking the law if we don't
stop it who will every year more new laws are made & we as hunters have to pay.( more wardens) Higher lic. fees) ( higher taxes) to pay for this!!!
Hunting is having a enough trouble as it is without letting people getting away
with poaching.
I say stop it now before it gets totaly out of control small game today then what
big game.


