Cwd ????
08-31-2015, 04:47 AM
#41
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 62
While we understand what you are saying, there are other vectors to spreading CWD, but a states Game Commission only has control of Urine scents, and Deer baiting. Where the States Agriculture department has the other controls that may include depending on state Deer Farms. We cannot ask the Game Commission to regulate something not under their control. We can petition the Agriculture Dept. but we are all pretty sure how that will go. Heck you will probably have more support getting subsidies stopped, but I doubt it will happen.
This is just another political push by game comish to try and rid their compitition. Always has been a political disease.
Its starting to turn the other way now and you mark my words...It wont be long and you will be hearing and reading from the same people soon that CWD is not a big threat and has been an over reaction on their parts. The federal Govt will no longer pay for testing and research and now put that on states laps and states now no longer think its worth their money to test for something they know is there but is causing no harm to any herds!
08-31-2015, 05:01 AM
#42
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Onslow County, NC
Posts: 1,856
Yes Sir...And think about that for a second! You cant tell me that they dont know that crop farmers can spread this crap, all across the country and world and infect every state in only 1 years time. If CWD was the bad dod they try to get some to belive it is then EVERY vector would be shut down instantly. Not just deer farms and deer urine.
This is just another political push by game comish to try and rid their compitition. Always has been a political disease.
Its starting to turn the other way now and you mark my words...It wont be long and you will be hearing and reading from the same people soon that CWD is not a big threat and has been an over reaction on their parts. The federal Govt will no longer pay for testing and research and now put that on states laps and states now no longer think its worth their money to test for something they know is there but is causing no harm to any herds!
This is just another political push by game comish to try and rid their compitition. Always has been a political disease.
Its starting to turn the other way now and you mark my words...It wont be long and you will be hearing and reading from the same people soon that CWD is not a big threat and has been an over reaction on their parts. The federal Govt will no longer pay for testing and research and now put that on states laps and states now no longer think its worth their money to test for something they know is there but is causing no harm to any herds!
Not sure how you keep returning crop harvest back to the Game Commission though, it is not under their jurisdiction. They could politic all they want but they have no say in crops. Also not sure what you think the Game Com. is competing with? Deer Farms? Yeah I don't think they are that concerned about that.
08-31-2015, 05:09 AM
#43
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 62
I disagree completely, Agriculture Dept. would fight tooth and nail from shutting down any production of crops for any reason.
Not sure how you keep returning crop harvest back to the Game Commission though, it is not under their jurisdiction. They could politic all they want but they have no say in crops. Also not sure what you think the Game Com. is competing with? Deer Farms? Yeah I don't think they are that concerned about that.
Not sure how you keep returning crop harvest back to the Game Commission though, it is not under their jurisdiction. They could politic all they want but they have no say in crops. Also not sure what you think the Game Com. is competing with? Deer Farms? Yeah I don't think they are that concerned about that.
I dont bring in Game Comish per say when i speak of all vectors. I speak of the federal Govt
If this was a big killer and a big threat then EVERY vector would be halted in their tracks. Corn shipment all across the country would be the first on the list. When a guy say in Ny can buy a bag of CWD ladden corn from the hot zone in the CWD plastered state of Wisconsin right of the shelf in his Ny Tractor Supply store there is something wrong there!!!!
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08-31-2015, 05:42 AM
#44
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,439
Really? You have just shown your tinfoil hat. You think the PGC views high fence operations as competition! How ridiculous. I suppose you also think they view other states as competition and want to close those states down as well. It is good that you continue to post because the longer you go the more people can see how irrational and self serving your posts are. You sound like a desperate man, willing to say anything to protect captive deer operations and in the process, truth is not a consideration
08-31-2015, 05:49 AM
#45
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 62
Really? You have just shown your tinfoil hat. You think the PGC views high fence operations as competition! How ridiculous. I suppose you also think they view other states as competition and want to close those states down as well. It is good that you continue to post because the longer you go the more people can see how irrational and self serving your posts are. You sound like a desperate man, willing to say anything to protect captive deer operations and in the process, truth is not a consideration
You cant touch that kind of power!
08-31-2015, 05:56 AM
#46
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Onslow County, NC
Posts: 1,856
LOL...Are you serious? You dont think they know how many people hunt behind fence and the monies it generates? Dont fool yourself. They would love nothing more.
I dont bring in Game Comish per say when i speak of all vectors. I speak of the federal Govt
If this was a big killer and a big threat then EVERY vector would be halted in their tracks. Corn shipment all across the country would be the first on the list. When a guy say in Ny can buy a bag of CWD ladden corn from the hot zone in the CWD plastered state of Wisconsin right of the shelf in his Ny Tractor Supply store there is something wrong there!!!!
I dont bring in Game Comish per say when i speak of all vectors. I speak of the federal Govt
If this was a big killer and a big threat then EVERY vector would be halted in their tracks. Corn shipment all across the country would be the first on the list. When a guy say in Ny can buy a bag of CWD ladden corn from the hot zone in the CWD plastered state of Wisconsin right of the shelf in his Ny Tractor Supply store there is something wrong there!!!!
08-31-2015, 06:11 AM
#47
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,439
Ludicrous allegation. The very idea that the PGC considers places where people can hunt genetic freaks for their head gear for tens of thousands of dollars inside a couple of hundred fenced acres competition to buying a $20.00, hunting license, about $35.00 more if they get an archery, muzzleloader and doe license. Big healthy deer have nothing to do with it. See how long they would be in business if they were only selling does. As far as pen raised buck being the future of hunting, another steaming crock of male bovine excrement. Keep posting there may still be a few who believe your self serving rhetoric but with each post you will lose more.
08-31-2015, 06:27 AM
#48
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Virginia / West Virginia
Posts: 4,906
I don't believe the high fenced deals have much to do with it. I DO believe that the "Big buck" industry in general - especially throughout the midwest, has a big role in why CWD is continually in the forefront.
Its just a disease, like many others. It will run its course as nature always does...when, how, and what it does or does not do to the population, well I guess we'll see.
Its just a disease, like many others. It will run its course as nature always does...when, how, and what it does or does not do to the population, well I guess we'll see.
08-31-2015, 06:41 AM
#49
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 62
Ludicrous allegation. The very idea that the PGC considers places where people can hunt genetic freaks for their head gear for tens of thousands of dollars inside a couple of hundred fenced acres competition to buying a $20.00, hunting license, about $35.00 more if they get an archery, muzzleloader and doe license. Big healthy deer have nothing to do with it. See how long they would be in business if they were only selling does. As far as pen raised buck being the future of hunting, another steaming crock of male bovine excrement. Keep posting there may still be a few who believe your self serving rhetoric but with each post you will lose more.
08-31-2015, 07:09 AM
#50
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,439
Nonsense, now you are an expert on how to manage a state wide deer herd. You see wild deer are a bit different, they aren't in an enclosure, they can go where ever they want to go so you can't manage them like domestic cattle. The people who can afford to or are willing to pay the ridiculous price go to a high fence operation and shop, not hunt for a buck, are far and a way in the minority and they will never compete with public hunting with a hunting license. If they are willing to waste their money and shop for some bone to hang on the wall, more power to them but high fence hunting will never be a serious competitor with actual hunting. The fact of the matter is you are trying way too hard and stretching the truth way to far to the point it is not the truth to protect your own interest. I would rather protect the interest of the average Joe hunter who pays for wildlife conservation in the various states than protect your deer market.