.357 mag handgun isn't enough?
#31
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,230
I've seen a few deer and one cow elk shot with a Colt Python in .357. It did the job but I'd be more comfortable with something that has a little more bullet weight. I used to carry a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 Mag and it tipped mule deer does over really well.
#32
NM, here is another chart, it says most of the results came from a 5 or 5.5 inch barrel which would preclude rifles. Not arguing, just saying what is out there on the subject. Check out the double tap ammo, some higher numbers than BB. From Florida gun supply, balistics 101.
45 Colt Ballistics Chart
Most of the load results were taken from a 5 - 5.5" BBL. Each manufacturer may very.
Blazer Ammunition Ballistics Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt JHP 200 444 1000
Buffalo Bore Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt +P Barnes LF 225 1123 1500
45 Colt +P XPB 225 1123 1500
45 Colt +P JFN 300 959 1200
45 Colt +P JHP 260 1214 1450
45 Colt +P LBT LFN 325 1267 1325
45 Colt +P JFN 300 1170 1325
45 Colt XPB 225 500 1000
45 Colt HCWC 225 NA 1050
45 Colt JHP 200 537 1100
45 Colt GCSP 255 566 1000
Cor-Bon Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt +P DPX 225 720 1200
45 Colt +P BCHP 265 848 1200
45 Colt +P JSP 300 1126 1300
45 Colt +P HC 335 820 1050
45 Colt +P JHP 200 537 1100
** Glaser Safety Slug **
45 Colt PB 145 503 1250
Double Tap Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt SWC HC 255 459 900
45 Colt TAC-XP 160 450 1125
45 Colt Nosler JHP 185 N/A 1045
45 Colt CE JHP 230 432 920
45 Colt Nosler JHP 250 459 900
** Loads below 7.5" BBL ** 45 Colt +P SWC HC 255 1191 1450
45 Colt +P WFNGC 335 1163 1250
45 Colt +P Nosler JHP 360 1151 1200
45 Colt +P CE JHP 300 1170 1325
45 Colt +P XPB 225 1117 1495
Federal Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt SWCHP 225 344 830
Hornady Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt FTX 225 TBD TBD
45 Colt CLL
45 Colt Ballistics Chart
Most of the load results were taken from a 5 - 5.5" BBL. Each manufacturer may very.
Blazer Ammunition Ballistics Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt JHP 200 444 1000
Buffalo Bore Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt +P Barnes LF 225 1123 1500
45 Colt +P XPB 225 1123 1500
45 Colt +P JFN 300 959 1200
45 Colt +P JHP 260 1214 1450
45 Colt +P LBT LFN 325 1267 1325
45 Colt +P JFN 300 1170 1325
45 Colt XPB 225 500 1000
45 Colt HCWC 225 NA 1050
45 Colt JHP 200 537 1100
45 Colt GCSP 255 566 1000
Cor-Bon Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt +P DPX 225 720 1200
45 Colt +P BCHP 265 848 1200
45 Colt +P JSP 300 1126 1300
45 Colt +P HC 335 820 1050
45 Colt +P JHP 200 537 1100
** Glaser Safety Slug **
45 Colt PB 145 503 1250
Double Tap Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt SWC HC 255 459 900
45 Colt TAC-XP 160 450 1125
45 Colt Nosler JHP 185 N/A 1045
45 Colt CE JHP 230 432 920
45 Colt Nosler JHP 250 459 900
** Loads below 7.5" BBL ** 45 Colt +P SWC HC 255 1191 1450
45 Colt +P WFNGC 335 1163 1250
45 Colt +P Nosler JHP 360 1151 1200
45 Colt +P CE JHP 300 1170 1325
45 Colt +P XPB 225 1117 1495
Federal Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt SWCHP 225 344 830
Hornady Ammunition Ballistics
Round Type Weight Muzzle Energy ft·lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
45 Colt FTX 225 TBD TBD
45 Colt CLL
Last edited by Oldtimr; 12-12-2014 at 06:55 AM.
#33
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Allegan, MI
Posts: 8,019
The stats Midway shows are identical numbers that Rockport put up from the Buffalo Bore website on his latter posts and I think they sound reasonable.
Last edited by Topgun 3006; 12-12-2014 at 07:59 AM.
#34
NM, here is another chart, it says most of the results came from a 5 or 5.5 inch barrel which would preclude rifles. Not arguing, just saying what is out there on the subject. Check out the double tap ammo, some higher numbers than BB. From Florida gun supply, balistics 101.
I think we got this ironed out. I wasn't questioning the Buffalo Bore's data, just pointed out that Rockport's quoting of BB data was not accurate to the actual BB data sheets. Their website is kinda confusing and has rifle data charts at the top but aren't listed as such, so if you look at the top level chart, it's deceiving. The data he quoted later is the right stuff, but the 1800fps and 1800ft.lbs. isn't on the mark, even though it's really easy to make that mistake on their website.
Bottom line is this: 1200ft.lbs. is attainable with a 45colt case, 1800ft.lbs. is not.
If someone figured out a 30-32,000psi load in 45colt that could run 1800ft.lbs. in a handgun, I'd be shooting them tomorrow!
But the REAL Tier 3 stuff, like Buffalo Bore's loads, is more than enough to kill deer. He11, most of my deer I've killed with the Colt have been with plain jane WWB "Tier 1" standard stuff, and they're just as dead as the Tier 3 stuff delivers.
Last edited by Nomercy448; 12-12-2014 at 10:37 AM.
#36
A max loaded .357 magnum round with a 180 grain bullet is more than adequate for whitetail deer. Factory .357 ammo should be considered cautiously however, much of it is not designed for hunting medium sized game. I have found reloading for this caliber very worthwhile.
#38
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,834
My ex-wife killed 4 deer, 3 does, 1 buck here in Il with my Ruger Security 6. I was handloading Blue Dot with Sierra 158 JHP's. She neck shot them and they were DRT. 1 in the ribs, and the buck she shot him just above base of tail and broke his back. Was aiming for back of his neck, was walking away. All shots were under 50yds.
#39
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Allegan, MI
Posts: 8,019
My ex-wife killed 4 deer, 3 does, 1 buck here in Il with my Ruger Security 6. I was handloading Blue Dot with Sierra 158 JHP's. She neck shot them and they were DRT. 1 in the ribs, and the buck she shot him just above base of tail and broke his back. Was aiming for back of his neck, was walking away. All shots were under 50yds.