Shot placement and Hornady interlock ?
11-01-2014 | 10:30 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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The only ways to get a sure DRT shot is a double shoulder shot (which ruins plenty of meat) or a spine or head shots (which are iffy at best, and most hunters should not try.)
Every now and then a double lung shot deer will drop, not often.
I also like a good exit wound for tracking. I have had two deer that were very hard to find, the reasoning was NOT the bullet, but a high double lunger with small exits. These deer did not go any farther than others did, they just bled out internally! As RR said, deer are not that hard to kill. Interlocks, Partitioners and good old Core-Locts work just fine.
Just stay away from frangible bullets and bullets designed for 1000 lb. animals, neither will work well for whitetail sized animals.
Every now and then a double lung shot deer will drop, not often.
I also like a good exit wound for tracking. I have had two deer that were very hard to find, the reasoning was NOT the bullet, but a high double lunger with small exits. These deer did not go any farther than others did, they just bled out internally! As RR said, deer are not that hard to kill. Interlocks, Partitioners and good old Core-Locts work just fine.
Just stay away from frangible bullets and bullets designed for 1000 lb. animals, neither will work well for whitetail sized animals.
11-01-2014 | 01:15 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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As already stated by Ridgerunner, any of the medium game bullets that will mushroom well and hold their weight well will be a good choice for deer sized game. The Hornady Interlock is one of these bullets. As far as performance, if the deer drops in its tracks, great. Better yet, if it runs 100 yards, preferably towards my truck, before dropping I am OK with that.
11-01-2014 | 03:26 PM
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Fork Horn
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I don't use many bonded bullets for deer or black bear, reason being you don't need them, any decent cup core bullet should penetrat a deer deep enough to hit the vitals, you hit the vitals its a dead deer, some folks want an exit, have no idea why. they say it leaves a better blood trail......Hogwash!! a deer hit in the lungs will blow just as much blood out of the nose/mouth after the lungs fill with blood as will leak out of the exit hole after and if the chest cavity fills with blood to above the exit hole.
best results I have came up with is to hold off the heavy shoulder bone the first 150 yards, by then the bullet has slowed down enough that it will make the trip through both shoulders.
high velocity impacts are what keeps a bullet from exiting, the higher the velocity at impact, the harder the point of impact is the less chance the bullet will exit, bonded bullets expand like any other, the bonding is the same principle that plumbers use with soldering flux, the lead sticks to the copper and stays togather, long as its still togather it may become a mass of twisted lead and copper but if its not losing weight it keeps it momentum.
Interlocks have a ring on the inside to keep the lead core from slipping in the jacket, hit something hard enough to disrupt that ring and it will separate, so stay off heavy bone till the bullet slows down, deer are not hard to kill.
RR
best results I have came up with is to hold off the heavy shoulder bone the first 150 yards, by then the bullet has slowed down enough that it will make the trip through both shoulders.
high velocity impacts are what keeps a bullet from exiting, the higher the velocity at impact, the harder the point of impact is the less chance the bullet will exit, bonded bullets expand like any other, the bonding is the same principle that plumbers use with soldering flux, the lead sticks to the copper and stays togather, long as its still togather it may become a mass of twisted lead and copper but if its not losing weight it keeps it momentum.
Interlocks have a ring on the inside to keep the lead core from slipping in the jacket, hit something hard enough to disrupt that ring and it will separate, so stay off heavy bone till the bullet slows down, deer are not hard to kill.
RR
And at 200 , behind the shoulder ?
I never even thought that I could trail blood by the nose and mouth
Man ! This is good stuff and I reeeeally! appreciate it.
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11-01-2014 | 03:41 PM
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Fork Horn
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You guys are now helping me get this thing together.
My only choice now for 7 mm08 is accubonds because they are sold out of everything else in my neck of the woods.
I had bought some ttsxs and the bullets spin in the casings.
And I have interlocks for my 3006 now.
So with accubonds and interlocks I should take shoulders at 100 and 150 yards and behind the shoulder at longer shots.
Vitals will be hit either way
My only choice now for 7 mm08 is accubonds because they are sold out of everything else in my neck of the woods.
I had bought some ttsxs and the bullets spin in the casings.
And I have interlocks for my 3006 now.
So with accubonds and interlocks I should take shoulders at 100 and 150 yards and behind the shoulder at longer shots.
Vitals will be hit either way
11-01-2014 | 03:51 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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The frontal shot is deadly no doubt if you do your part, but if the bullet goes above the heart, between the lungs, through the liver the deer is dead no doubt, however, more than likely the deer 1) will make the 60-100 death dash, and 2) he has 1 bullet hole in the front, on the death sprint centifrugal force will hold the blood in the rear of the chest cavity 3) most of the time the deer will be shot quartering to so the bullet will more than likely be lodged in the ham keeping the blood trail down to a minimum.
a dead deer doesn't mean much if you can't find it.
RR
a dead deer doesn't mean much if you can't find it.
RR
11-01-2014 | 04:12 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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White oak I have no idea where you got that at one distance you shoot for the shoulder and at another you shoot behind the shoulder but no one even came close to saying that and it makes no sense what-so-ever. The point of aim has nothing to do with the distance you are shooting. I am really begining to wonder if your posts are serious or trolling. Have you ever really killed a deer or are you just blowing smoke?
11-01-2014 | 04:27 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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what I do, is stay off the shoulder till the distance slows the bullet down enough to not fragment the bullet, the higher the velocity the greater the distance is that I do not shoulder shoot. behind the shoulder is a dead, easily tracked deer every time with anything.
I shoot a lot of high intensity cartridges, I've killed many deer with cup/core bullets in excess of 3500 fps, they kill deer "deader than raid" but destroy a lot of meat and make one helluva mess with center shoulder hits, increase the distance to 500 yards and that changes only because the bullet is moving slower and doesn't hit as hard.
the accubonds will do fine with any shot at 7/08 velocities on deer, the interlocks may fragment at close range from the '06, for wood hunting inside 200yards I always try to take a double lung shot, when I break out the long range rigs and the shot comes at 700 yards or farther I always hold either center shoulder or if quartering the point of aim is to break the offside shoulder
here in an exit from a whitetail shot with an accubond at 702 yards
hope I clarified my opinion
RR
I shoot a lot of high intensity cartridges, I've killed many deer with cup/core bullets in excess of 3500 fps, they kill deer "deader than raid" but destroy a lot of meat and make one helluva mess with center shoulder hits, increase the distance to 500 yards and that changes only because the bullet is moving slower and doesn't hit as hard.
the accubonds will do fine with any shot at 7/08 velocities on deer, the interlocks may fragment at close range from the '06, for wood hunting inside 200yards I always try to take a double lung shot, when I break out the long range rigs and the shot comes at 700 yards or farther I always hold either center shoulder or if quartering the point of aim is to break the offside shoulder
here in an exit from a whitetail shot with an accubond at 702 yards
hope I clarified my opinion
RR
11-01-2014 | 05:19 PM
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Fork Horn
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White oak I have no idea where you got that at one distance you shoot for the shoulder and at another you shoot behind the shoulder but no one even came close to saying that and it makes no sense what-so-ever. The point of aim has nothing to do with the distance you are shooting. I am really begining to wonder if your posts are serious or trolling. Have you ever really killed a deer or are you just blowing smoke?
I am asking because I don't know if it makes a difference in impact velocities.
Will the bullet fully expand at closer range , say 60 yards
I'm trying to figure out how these bullets work at different velocities, the construction of these different bullets and make them work to my advantage !
Forget about it !!!!!
11-01-2014 | 05:25 PM
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Fork Horn
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what I do, is stay off the shoulder till the distance slows the bullet down enough to not fragment the bullet, the higher the velocity the greater the distance is that I do not shoulder shoot. behind the shoulder is a dead, easily tracked deer every time with anything.
I shoot a lot of high intensity cartridges, I've killed many deer with cup/core bullets in excess of 3500 fps, they kill deer "deader than raid" but destroy a lot of meat and make one helluva mess with center shoulder hits, increase the distance to 500 yards and that changes only because the bullet is moving slower and doesn't hit as hard.
the accubonds will do fine with any shot at 7/08 velocities on deer, the interlocks may fragment at close range from the '06, for wood hunting inside 200yards I always try to take a double lung shot, when I break out the long range rigs and the shot comes at 700 yards or farther I always hold either center shoulder or if quartering the point of aim is to break the offside shoulder
here in an exit from a whitetail shot with an accubond at 702 yards
hope I clarified my opinion
RR
I shoot a lot of high intensity cartridges, I've killed many deer with cup/core bullets in excess of 3500 fps, they kill deer "deader than raid" but destroy a lot of meat and make one helluva mess with center shoulder hits, increase the distance to 500 yards and that changes only because the bullet is moving slower and doesn't hit as hard.
the accubonds will do fine with any shot at 7/08 velocities on deer, the interlocks may fragment at close range from the '06, for wood hunting inside 200yards I always try to take a double lung shot, when I break out the long range rigs and the shot comes at 700 yards or farther I always hold either center shoulder or if quartering the point of aim is to break the offside shoulder
here in an exit from a whitetail shot with an accubond at 702 yards
hope I clarified my opinion
RR
Now see that's what I'm trying to understand !
So it does a better job the slower it's going to some extent ?