Scent Lok
#41
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Ohio
The clothes are just a piece of what I do and what I do is what I believe it takes to beat a deer's nose and like I said, I've done it too many times to listen to anyone tell me because they can't or more like won't put the effort into beating a deer's nose, no one can.
I also use baking soda when washing my clothes, but that isn't all, I use the woods I live in and at times the wood smoke from the stove I use to heat everything. Every piece of my clothes is kept in it's own zip bag, in a larger zip bag of like kinds in a seal closet I built in the building the wood boiler that heats all is in, It's also a wood shop.
Except for a well seasoned wool coat, all my outer gear is SL and I wear 2 layers of that almost always. The fabric is silent to my rough hands and never see's anything but the woods when I'm hunting over layers of well seasoned under garments and my scrubbed and cleaned body sprayed with Hog's vanishing hunter, even my mouth as it's safe as a mouth wash.
All of my prep would be a waste without clothes that weren't silent and my SL is silent, another by product of that tight weave.
Whatever. I used to always promote the idea SL was junk because with all the bad press the stuff would sit on the shelf and I could pick it up at Walmart prices if I was patient enough. Them days are all but gone so it's time to come out of the closet.

Hate blinds and hate/envy is what's blinded many to what SL has to offer. Now the same people who bashed SL endlessly are selling their own clothes for as much or more than SL did when they crucified them for their prices.
Last edited by nodog; 02-20-2013 at 08:36 AM.
#42
When you read the comments to this thread, take a look at the level of experiance the hunter whom is giving advice has... Most, if not all pro's whom endorse scent control products are "sponsored" by them, or are trying to be sponsored by them.
I have over 30 trophy bucks on my wall, most off of pressured public land.
I agree that less scent is better... But not much better.
Deer have 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ... YOU have 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, and no vomeronasal organ...
I believe they can process the scent age by breakdown and know about how fresh it is.
Saying less scent will spook less seems like a false statement to me...
Wearing rubber boots and spraying your self with scent remover may reduce your scent to you... But to a deer that smells 100 million times better than you with a vomeronasal organ to break it down the minimized scent is still incredibly strong and reveals you were there...
Its equivalent to getting all out sprayed by a skunk at point blank range and then taking a wet rag and trying to wash the scent off you... When you get home, your wife is still going to smell it.
We are not talking about an animal that can smell "a little" better than us... We are talking about an animal that smells millions of times better.
You could take away a deers sight and hearing and it would survive. Take away his nose and he would perish. They rely on there nose more than there eyes, and ears combined.
The big point you should get out of this is that it won't hurt you to be clean. But don't limit your hunting because of time restraints or anal rituals that will keep you from hunting when time is limited.
If you hunted the extra 45 minutes you spend doing rituals, your success from getting 45 more minutes per hunt would far exceed the "help" scent control rituals do...
The scent that spooks the deer is the human scent created as the body sheds dead skin cells. Washing don't remove that... Scent spray does not stop you from creating and shedding more cells. Carbon activated suits don't remove it enough to be effective... Foreign odors could work to catch a deers attention and his focus could make him notice your scent. But I believe if they smell the foreign odor, they are down wind and smell your human scent too.... Our human scent to a deer is likely stronger than that of a skunk spray to us. They smell millions of times better than you or I.
COYOTES AND FOXES ARE AMONG THE BEST PREDATORS. THEY ALSO STINK SOMETHING TERRIBLE. THEY KILL BY COMING IN FROM DOWN WIND.
My personal feeling is that they don't fear gasoline, perfume, etc.. Unless they have learned to associate it with humans. I do believe they instinctively fear human scent and can tell the smell of a predator.
Research shows that deer have up to 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ (that detects scents/odors) in the roof of their mouth. Dogs have up to 220 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ. Humans have up to 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, but no vomeronasal organ.
According to my math a deer can smell 27% better than a dog...
Every single "independant" blood hound test I have ever seen the dog found the human scent just as easy with or without the scent products... Myth busters did a great show on it proving once and for all, the crap don't work.
Scent control means watching that deer don't get down wind or cross your entry path... If you need scent control to kill big bucks how did I arrow all the bucks I have gotten over the years without it?
I have over 30 trophy bucks on my wall, most off of pressured public land.
I agree that less scent is better... But not much better.
Deer have 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ... YOU have 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, and no vomeronasal organ...
I believe they can process the scent age by breakdown and know about how fresh it is.
Saying less scent will spook less seems like a false statement to me...
Wearing rubber boots and spraying your self with scent remover may reduce your scent to you... But to a deer that smells 100 million times better than you with a vomeronasal organ to break it down the minimized scent is still incredibly strong and reveals you were there...
Its equivalent to getting all out sprayed by a skunk at point blank range and then taking a wet rag and trying to wash the scent off you... When you get home, your wife is still going to smell it.
We are not talking about an animal that can smell "a little" better than us... We are talking about an animal that smells millions of times better.
You could take away a deers sight and hearing and it would survive. Take away his nose and he would perish. They rely on there nose more than there eyes, and ears combined.
The big point you should get out of this is that it won't hurt you to be clean. But don't limit your hunting because of time restraints or anal rituals that will keep you from hunting when time is limited.
If you hunted the extra 45 minutes you spend doing rituals, your success from getting 45 more minutes per hunt would far exceed the "help" scent control rituals do...
The scent that spooks the deer is the human scent created as the body sheds dead skin cells. Washing don't remove that... Scent spray does not stop you from creating and shedding more cells. Carbon activated suits don't remove it enough to be effective... Foreign odors could work to catch a deers attention and his focus could make him notice your scent. But I believe if they smell the foreign odor, they are down wind and smell your human scent too.... Our human scent to a deer is likely stronger than that of a skunk spray to us. They smell millions of times better than you or I.
COYOTES AND FOXES ARE AMONG THE BEST PREDATORS. THEY ALSO STINK SOMETHING TERRIBLE. THEY KILL BY COMING IN FROM DOWN WIND.
My personal feeling is that they don't fear gasoline, perfume, etc.. Unless they have learned to associate it with humans. I do believe they instinctively fear human scent and can tell the smell of a predator.
Research shows that deer have up to 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ (that detects scents/odors) in the roof of their mouth. Dogs have up to 220 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ. Humans have up to 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, but no vomeronasal organ.
According to my math a deer can smell 27% better than a dog...
Every single "independant" blood hound test I have ever seen the dog found the human scent just as easy with or without the scent products... Myth busters did a great show on it proving once and for all, the crap don't work.
Scent control means watching that deer don't get down wind or cross your entry path... If you need scent control to kill big bucks how did I arrow all the bucks I have gotten over the years without it?
#43
Lots more, ever use any? If you'd have you'd learn what it is they hit on in an effort to make their clothes live up to the claims. With that education what is learned can be used when buying any clothes. For starters look at the fabric they use to hold the carbon, can't get a much tighter weave.
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Fabric weave or anything else they claim is pure BS!
You CANNOT regenerate carbon at temperatures that would not also DISTROY the clothing! What do you not understand about that!? I have worked with carbon products for 35 years!
What Scent-Loc claims, AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!
#45
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Ohio
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Every single "independant" blood hound test I have ever seen the dog found the human scent just as easy with or without the scent products... Myth busters did a great show on it proving once and for all, the crap don't work.
Scent control means watching that deer don't get down wind or cross your entry path... If you need scent control to kill big bucks how did I arrow all the bucks I have gotten over the years without it?
Every single "independant" blood hound test I have ever seen the dog found the human scent just as easy with or without the scent products... Myth busters did a great show on it proving once and for all, the crap don't work.
Scent control means watching that deer don't get down wind or cross your entry path... If you need scent control to kill big bucks how did I arrow all the bucks I have gotten over the years without it?
I saw the myth busters episode and have seen some tests, they are all flawed, fresh cut trails are what the dogs are picking up and what deer follow to the hunter. Turned up earth means food for deer. I had a bluetick coon hound, I know what he was doing and he was an amazing tracker. He could track down a deer almost like he'd watched it run and fall and just about as fast as the deer fled there. No test magic shows are needed for me to know what that kind of dog can do and why it did it, if you walk there it can follow and it is told to find you REWARD!. Same with deer except deer aren't looking for a man if they are following the trail, they are looking for what made it for sure, but they don't know what did it till they see or hear it while the unsuspecting hunter sits on stand fidgeting, making noise. If it was the stink of man and it was afraid of man it would be gone the first whiff.
#46
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,280
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From: Pine Hill Alabama USA
Scent Lok is a sham. First have you ever cut into one of these suits to see how much activated carbon they actually put inside one? It's a pathetically small amount. I sprinkle a thicker coat of pepper on my stewed squash than they put in these suits. Second these suits are just hanging out open on the rack at the store soaking up what ever odor they come in contact with in the store. That tiny amount of activated carbon would be saturated within a day if not a few hours. If they haven't been stored differently before they arrive at the store then they are already saturated before they even get there. And of course finally once saturated a household clothes dryer doesn't generate nearly enough heat to reactivate carbon. Thank God too, because heat of that level would incinerate the suit to ash and maybe burn your house down. LOL!
If people who use these suits have reduced their scent level to any degree it is entirely due to other activities like bathing in scent free soap, spraying down with scent killing spray and keeping all hunting clothes in a scent free bag, etc, etc. It has nothing to do with the composition of the suit. It's kind of like one of those Miracle diet pill commercials. Just take "Fat Blaster 3000" eat a 1800 calorie diet; jog 5 miles a day and watch "Fat Blaster 3000" melt the pounds away. LOL! Gee, you think it might be the diet and exercise that's doing the trick rather than the pill? LOL!
If people who use these suits have reduced their scent level to any degree it is entirely due to other activities like bathing in scent free soap, spraying down with scent killing spray and keeping all hunting clothes in a scent free bag, etc, etc. It has nothing to do with the composition of the suit. It's kind of like one of those Miracle diet pill commercials. Just take "Fat Blaster 3000" eat a 1800 calorie diet; jog 5 miles a day and watch "Fat Blaster 3000" melt the pounds away. LOL! Gee, you think it might be the diet and exercise that's doing the trick rather than the pill? LOL!
#47
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 7,876
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From: Ohio
Scent Lok is a sham. First have you ever cut into one of these suits to see how much activated carbon they actually put inside one? It's a pathetically small amount. I sprinkle a thicker coat of pepper on my stewed squash than they put in these suits. Second these suits are just hanging out open on the rack at the store soaking up what ever odor they come in contact with in the store. That tiny amount of activated carbon would be saturated within a day if not a few hours. If they haven't been stored differently before they arrive at the store then they are already saturated before they even get there. And of course finally once saturated a household clothes dryer doesn't generate nearly enough heat to reactivate carbon. Thank God too, because heat of that level would incinerate the suit to ash and maybe burn your house down. LOL!
If people who use these suits have reduced their scent level to any degree it is entirely due to other activities like bathing in scent free soap, spraying down with scent killing spray and keeping all hunting clothes in a scent free bag, etc, etc. It has nothing to do with the composition of the suit. It's kind of like one of those Miracle diet pill commercials. Just take "Fat Blaster 3000" eat a 1800 calorie diet; jog 5 miles a day and watch "Fat Blaster 3000" melt the pounds away. LOL! Gee, you think it might be the diet and exercise that's doing the trick rather than the pill? LOL!
If people who use these suits have reduced their scent level to any degree it is entirely due to other activities like bathing in scent free soap, spraying down with scent killing spray and keeping all hunting clothes in a scent free bag, etc, etc. It has nothing to do with the composition of the suit. It's kind of like one of those Miracle diet pill commercials. Just take "Fat Blaster 3000" eat a 1800 calorie diet; jog 5 miles a day and watch "Fat Blaster 3000" melt the pounds away. LOL! Gee, you think it might be the diet and exercise that's doing the trick rather than the pill? LOL!
#48
Darn there are some hard headed hunters here! Scent Loc is for suckers! What don't you understand about the regeneration temperatures required for carbon!?!? It would burn your house down before it regenerated the carbon!
#49
You CANNOT regenerate carbon at temperatures that would not also DISTROY the clothing! What do you not understand about that!? I have worked with carbon products for 35 years!
What's 35 years of experinece good for anyway? You can lead a horse (nodog) to water but he will die of thirst on this subject.
Yes I used it Nodog my deer sighting have not gone down one bit since I stopped.


