Help please
09-16-2010 | 10:38 AM
#41
Typical Buck
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I suggest wearing at least a blaze (hunter) orange or florescent pink hat (hat and vest would be better) while on your land during deer season if they get access to adjoining land. We don't want them to mistake you for a deer dear.
Even if they don't hunt on your property, I strongly suggest getting an umbrella policy. These policies typically are not that much (might be equal to the cost of one or two hours for an attorney). Be sure you know what the policy will and will not cover before you make a decision on a policy.
You mentioned this land is currently vacant. Having a "No Trespassing or Hunting Without Permission" sign MIGHT give you more legal protection if something did happen. I would also put down in writing with these guys exactly what permission you have given them and not given them (for exclusions state 'including but not limited to') and have them sign it. Make sure it states excluding hunting rights.
With vacant land, you may want to look at a CCTV system if you have electricity on the property. The cost of CCTV systems are not that bad. I suggest at least one good quality camera that has infrared. The other cameras would not have to be as good of quality. It would also give you an opportunity to watch the wildlife which I think is always nice. If there is no electricity, there are small battery operated digital cameras that look like motion sensors for an alarm system. The photos are stored on a removable memory card.
Even if they don't hunt on your property, I strongly suggest getting an umbrella policy. These policies typically are not that much (might be equal to the cost of one or two hours for an attorney). Be sure you know what the policy will and will not cover before you make a decision on a policy.
You mentioned this land is currently vacant. Having a "No Trespassing or Hunting Without Permission" sign MIGHT give you more legal protection if something did happen. I would also put down in writing with these guys exactly what permission you have given them and not given them (for exclusions state 'including but not limited to') and have them sign it. Make sure it states excluding hunting rights.
With vacant land, you may want to look at a CCTV system if you have electricity on the property. The cost of CCTV systems are not that bad. I suggest at least one good quality camera that has infrared. The other cameras would not have to be as good of quality. It would also give you an opportunity to watch the wildlife which I think is always nice. If there is no electricity, there are small battery operated digital cameras that look like motion sensors for an alarm system. The photos are stored on a removable memory card.
09-16-2010 | 10:46 AM
#42
Typical Buck
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Kansas
OK guys. I just spoke with another hunter I know on the phone. I told him of my concern for the animal and what I've read here in the sticky about how long it takes for the animal to terminate, etc. He has said that everything I've read here is true. He has been hunting for years with his son. Coming from his perspective, he said it's ok to say no when asked by a hunter......that I just have to be respectful and not put the hunter on the defensive. He said that most hunters will respectfully understand and in the rare instance that one gets pissed off at me, I wouldn't want someone like that hunting my land anyway. As of current, I have come to the conclusion that my land will be a hunting free zone. I will tell my two neighbors that they can have their hunters track deer on my land as I don't want to get in the way of the most humane kill but I won't have them doing the actual hunting on the land.
You guys were tremendous with input and with educating me. I'm sorry if you feel you've wasted time on me as I've only ended up in a position that doesn't support your sport. I get your passion and the desire as I have the same for various outdoor activities so I'm sorry, in that regard, to have arrived at this conclusion. You guys are all such a great bunch and have been so helpful and I regret that I'm not able to return the consideration by letting folks like you with your mindset use my land.
What a great community you guys have formed here. Maybe I'll pop in once in a while just to see what you're up to. Have a great time in your endeavor, be safe and well, and know that at least one person out there regards this group highly.
You guys were tremendous with input and with educating me. I'm sorry if you feel you've wasted time on me as I've only ended up in a position that doesn't support your sport. I get your passion and the desire as I have the same for various outdoor activities so I'm sorry, in that regard, to have arrived at this conclusion. You guys are all such a great bunch and have been so helpful and I regret that I'm not able to return the consideration by letting folks like you with your mindset use my land.
What a great community you guys have formed here. Maybe I'll pop in once in a while just to see what you're up to. Have a great time in your endeavor, be safe and well, and know that at least one person out there regards this group highly.
Live it up! Doug
09-16-2010 | 10:56 AM
#43
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Spike
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Country1, Yes, I am concerned as I work there for the next few months cutting brush. I have a safety vest type thing I wear when riding my bike to work and will use that. Bright yellow and orange with reflective quality. Thanks.
I talked with my auto carrier today about an umbrella and they won't consider an umbrella unless they have my homeowners and my homeowners agent won't cover an umbrella without the auto so I have some shuffling to do. Yes, I too, think it's a good idea to carry this just in case. They did say they believe it to be maybe about a couple hundred bucks a year. I'm not sure yet what it would cover as I need to move my stuff around to get a formal quote.
My husband and I talked about setting up a camera to view wildlife near the creek. There is a lot of weird foot prints and killing going on in there (frog legs, etc.) that we want to view. With this incident, I'm thinking it's probably a good thing to have one just to keep an eye on our land since we are there on an intermittent basis. We wouldn't want to spend a lot of money. Do you guys have any brand suggestions for a battery operated camera? We don't have electricity fed to the site yet.
kswild, thanks. Out of all the feedback I wasn't sure if you got where I was coming from so thanks for being so welcoming and understanding.
I talked with my auto carrier today about an umbrella and they won't consider an umbrella unless they have my homeowners and my homeowners agent won't cover an umbrella without the auto so I have some shuffling to do. Yes, I too, think it's a good idea to carry this just in case. They did say they believe it to be maybe about a couple hundred bucks a year. I'm not sure yet what it would cover as I need to move my stuff around to get a formal quote.
My husband and I talked about setting up a camera to view wildlife near the creek. There is a lot of weird foot prints and killing going on in there (frog legs, etc.) that we want to view. With this incident, I'm thinking it's probably a good thing to have one just to keep an eye on our land since we are there on an intermittent basis. We wouldn't want to spend a lot of money. Do you guys have any brand suggestions for a battery operated camera? We don't have electricity fed to the site yet.
kswild, thanks. Out of all the feedback I wasn't sure if you got where I was coming from so thanks for being so welcoming and understanding.
09-16-2010 | 11:30 AM
#44
Fork Horn
Joined: Dec 2008
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From: Wisconsin
crenshaw and kswild, I received your replies after I posted. Are you guys all serious I should ask them out with targets to show me how they shoot? Is this normal or would they consider that I'm some nut case? Did people ask you to do this?
We only have 5 acres but it's very rural and I have one of the smallest parcels out there. Everyone else has 25 - over 100 acre parcels so my parcel is part of a much larger piece of undeveloped land. It's really pretty, too.
We only have 5 acres but it's very rural and I have one of the smallest parcels out there. Everyone else has 25 - over 100 acre parcels so my parcel is part of a much larger piece of undeveloped land. It's really pretty, too.
It's your land, so it's your rules. Write them down if you have to. Most hunters expect something to this effect when approaching land owners. And as for the shooting test, if they're good shots, they should be proud to demonstrate their skill to you.In the end, you must realize that there is never zero risk of wounding an animal, but proper preparation and experience certainly reduce the risk. Look at it another way...there isn't zero risk of the animal dying of disease or getting hit by a truck either...
Nothing in life is zero risk. All the best in your decision making process!
09-16-2010 | 11:40 AM
#45
Fork Horn
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From: Wisconsin
The fact that they are seeking you out should not necessarily raise any undue suspicions in itself.
Sorry, couldn't resist the joke.
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09-16-2010 | 11:59 AM
#46
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Spike
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This may have already been answered (I haven't had time to read through the entire thread), but it's a valid questions. Please realize, however, that it's perfectly normal for hunters to continue looking for new places to hunt. Other land owners may have changed their mind over the years (e.g. if a relative starts hunting, they may cancel permission for others, etc), land changes hands, the hunters may have moved to a new area over the years, etc.
The fact that they are seeking you out should not necessarily raise any undue suspicions in itself.
LOL! If the bows are flying, they certainly don't know what they're doing. The arrows should be flying...
Sorry, couldn't resist the joke.
The fact that they are seeking you out should not necessarily raise any undue suspicions in itself.
LOL! If the bows are flying, they certainly don't know what they're doing. The arrows should be flying...
Sorry, couldn't resist the joke.
09-16-2010 | 01:48 PM
#47
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Ohio
Are you for real?
If you want to watch the deer play, watch. There are millions of other deer we hunters can take.
It's not just which is more humane for the animal, it's also which is safer for you. I highly doubt an arrow will ever come close to you but a bullet has a very good chance.
Deer die just as fast either way. Do you want to know it? You won't with a bow.
Still don't believe you are for real.
If you want to watch the deer play, watch. There are millions of other deer we hunters can take.
It's not just which is more humane for the animal, it's also which is safer for you. I highly doubt an arrow will ever come close to you but a bullet has a very good chance.
Deer die just as fast either way. Do you want to know it? You won't with a bow.
Still don't believe you are for real.
09-16-2010 | 02:31 PM
#49
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Ponce de Leon Florida USA
A simple "No Hunting Without Written Permission" sign may be what you need. And if someone thinks they have reason to trail a wounded deer on your property they should have the courtesy to call you and ask for individual permission access without firearms. Don't forget, it's your land and you have the control on who and for what reason anybody enters your land.
