THE REAL obama
10-20-2008, 08:27 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Country
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RE: THE REAL obama
I am on the fence, they both suck ass as far as I am concerned. I just find it hard to believe that a "president" wants the banner of actually trying to re-write history hanging over his head. Is anyone actually that stupid?
I think if anyone ever tried to make it Illegal fornon criminals to own guns and take them from your home by force would become the next JFK in about .2 seconds, not only that, we wouldhave a civil war of sorts, cause I know I would protect the very rights my Dad and Grandfather fought for while serving in the US military, and if that meant going out in a blaze of glory, so be it.
I think if anyone ever tried to make it Illegal fornon criminals to own guns and take them from your home by force would become the next JFK in about .2 seconds, not only that, we wouldhave a civil war of sorts, cause I know I would protect the very rights my Dad and Grandfather fought for while serving in the US military, and if that meant going out in a blaze of glory, so be it.
10-20-2008, 08:33 PM
#22
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Roanoke, Virginia
Posts: 2,335
RE: THE REAL obama
i doubt it will ever happen but they will not be able to take my rights and definitely not my guns that have been passed down in my family for so long from me. not happening....
10-20-2008, 08:53 PM
#24
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: North Louisiana
Posts: 3,050
RE: THE REAL obama
I really believe our gun ownership rights will be okay even if Obama is elected. That certainly doesn't mean I'm voting for Obama.I am not too crazy about either choice for President, but McCain seems to bethe lesser of two evils. I don't trust Obama, period. I'm not sure if McCain can get us out of this econonic downfall, but I'm willing to take my chances. I just believe there are too many skeletons in the closetfor Obama.
10-20-2008, 08:54 PM
#25
Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 8
RE: THE REAL obama
ORIGINAL: hammerman
And what proof do you have that he's a good man? He did very little in Illinois and he's done nothing great in the senate. And his character and choice of relationships is very questionable. He has no real leadership experience.
His taxplan is horrible! SPREAD THE WEALTH!! Why should people that have worked hard and made smart decisions and built a business pay more taxes than someone who for example decided to drop out of school and make minimum wage. It is already setupin thetax brackets that the more you make the more you pay. Obviously if you give a 10% tax cutto everyoneit's going to seem like the rich get a big break but its no bigger % than the guy that make minimum wage. Its not rocket science!
Have you seen what Obama and his wife make? They are not in touch with the middle class!
I don't think that the gun control will be changed but with the other elections that are up and more than likely the democrats taking charge it will become an issue.
As far as the economy is concerned the worst down turn happened with Pelosi and her clan in charge o0ver the last 2 yrs! Barney Frank said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were fine as late as July 142008'.
Barack Obama is a good man as well. His tax plan works. I'd be willing to bet that many members of this site would benefit from his plan
His taxplan is horrible! SPREAD THE WEALTH!! Why should people that have worked hard and made smart decisions and built a business pay more taxes than someone who for example decided to drop out of school and make minimum wage. It is already setupin thetax brackets that the more you make the more you pay. Obviously if you give a 10% tax cutto everyoneit's going to seem like the rich get a big break but its no bigger % than the guy that make minimum wage. Its not rocket science!
Have you seen what Obama and his wife make? They are not in touch with the middle class!
Furthermore, while I believe gun rights are important, there are FAR more important topics for me. Our economy, the war in Iraq, our foreign policy in general, health care, our education and our dependence on foreign oil are more pressing issues. No one is even bringingup gun control as an issue
I don't think that the gun control will be changed but with the other elections that are up and more than likely the democrats taking charge it will become an issue.
As far as the economy is concerned the worst down turn happened with Pelosi and her clan in charge o0ver the last 2 yrs! Barney Frank said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were fine as late as July 142008'.
No real leadership experience? You must be referring to the exact same amount of leadership experience that Abraham Lincoln had when elected. And in case you forgot, he did alright by Illinois.
Do you really believe this entire economy is the result of two years of Democratic leadership under Pelosi? You must be enjoying that kool-aid my friend.
In regard to the Hammerman Tax Plan, are you that naive? Have you really looked at it? I'm assuming you're not Warren Buffett, the richest man on Earth, because he is endorsing Obama's plan. If he thinks he's paying too little, doesn't that tell you something? I'd love to tell you that we all get to pay the same amount, but that's not realistic. It's not how money works. Unfortunately, someone has to pay more, in this case, it's the upper class- you know, the ones who aren't struggling to make ends meet.
Finally, in regards to the wealth of Mr.and Mrs. Obama, do you really want someone from the middle class to be President? Now here's where you have to be careful, Hammerman. Obama was born into the middle class. He was raised by a single mother and two grandparents. He WORKED his way to success. Isn't that something we look for in a leader?
10-20-2008, 09:10 PM
#26
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jul 2008
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RE: THE REAL obama
ORIGINAL: westpalmdude
"Demoncrats"? I think you need to check the Republican party's history of racism and prejudice before you break that one out. I'm not here to point fingers, though. There are fine people in each party, both candidates included.
Furthermore, while I believe gun rights are important, there are FAR more important topics for me. Our economy, the war in Iraq, our foreign policy in general, health care, our education and our dependence on foreign oil are more pressing issues. No one is even bringingup gun control as an issue.
But if you want to bring up the Supreme Court, I would have you look at the ruling the Court issued in January of this year. For the first time in over 70 years, the Court ruled on a gun control issue. The Court ruled that the Second Amendment “protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for such activities as hunting and self-defense.” This was a decision authored by Justice Scalia, one of the best conservative judicial philosophers in American History.
Gentlemen (and Ladies), your gun rights will not be changing under Obama or McCain. Your decision should therefore lie in matter other than gun control. For my family, Senator Obama is the correct choice for President.
ORIGINAL: gtownbuckbuster
i think w/ Obama we will be sol before you know it. as far as those checks and balances go that u refered to, the only thing that will be able to stop his changes to the constitution will be the judicial branch and i just dont see them goin against obama, cause he will have the other brach sowed up w/ demoncrats
ORIGINAL: westpalmdude
Actually, no. That's due to our system of checks and balances. You're not going to see a change to the Constitution regarding gun rights. Guys, your gun rights will not be changing under Obama. What will be changing, however, is the backwarddirection of our country that has taken place under the last eight years.
John McCain is a good man and can be admired on many things but his tax policy is a direct continuation of trickle down economics. His health care plan loses coverage for many Americans. He wants to continue to spend 10 billion dollars per month in Iraq. Most importantly, the election of McCain weakens our image and alliances abroad.
Barack Obama is a good man as well. His tax plan works. I'd be willing to bet that many members of this site would benefit from his plan. His health care plan is revolutionary and fixes many of the problems that people currently face. He wants to be out of Iraq. Colin Powell supports the man. Is there a better endorsement?
I am the father of an eight month old boy. I trust Barack Obama to make this country and this world a better place for him to grow up in.
ORIGINAL: 1shotkill1993
point being im sure almost any president can find a way to get a law passed????
ORIGINAL: northernwhitetail
yeah but it doesnt matter what obama thinks its the senate that will be the final deciding factor on gun control.
yeah but it doesnt matter what obama thinks its the senate that will be the final deciding factor on gun control.
John McCain is a good man and can be admired on many things but his tax policy is a direct continuation of trickle down economics. His health care plan loses coverage for many Americans. He wants to continue to spend 10 billion dollars per month in Iraq. Most importantly, the election of McCain weakens our image and alliances abroad.
Barack Obama is a good man as well. His tax plan works. I'd be willing to bet that many members of this site would benefit from his plan. His health care plan is revolutionary and fixes many of the problems that people currently face. He wants to be out of Iraq. Colin Powell supports the man. Is there a better endorsement?
I am the father of an eight month old boy. I trust Barack Obama to make this country and this world a better place for him to grow up in.
Furthermore, while I believe gun rights are important, there are FAR more important topics for me. Our economy, the war in Iraq, our foreign policy in general, health care, our education and our dependence on foreign oil are more pressing issues. No one is even bringingup gun control as an issue.
But if you want to bring up the Supreme Court, I would have you look at the ruling the Court issued in January of this year. For the first time in over 70 years, the Court ruled on a gun control issue. The Court ruled that the Second Amendment “protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for such activities as hunting and self-defense.” This was a decision authored by Justice Scalia, one of the best conservative judicial philosophers in American History.
Gentlemen (and Ladies), your gun rights will not be changing under Obama or McCain. Your decision should therefore lie in matter other than gun control. For my family, Senator Obama is the correct choice for President.
10-21-2008, 01:15 AM
#28
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: West Chicago,ILLinois
Posts: 757
RE: THE REAL obama
he is a Christian
"I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism. Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we're formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we've got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community."
How do we as Christians change our "reasoning" into values that fit everyone? It can't be done and still be in line with the BIBLE. Truth is always the truth never changing.
I believe Obama is a good man because of what he has said.
I believe he's a good man because in the middle of the election, he has canceled his rally dates in order to be with his dying grandmother.
So the company or relationships he has don't matter to you? William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Louis Farrakhan to name a few.
Everyone says he has the experience, Powell said he had the economic experience , fine show me!
I'd love to tell you that we all get to pay the same amount, but that's not realistic
Do you really believe this entire economy is the result of two years of Democratic leadership under Pelosi?
His great health plan was tried in Hawaii and didn't go so well. If I can get insurance at anytime despite preexisting conditions why should I pay for it until I need it? That doesn't work, it's a plan for failure for insurance companies. Also if he gets it passed and it forces these small businesses to pay for insurance you'll see a lot businesses close or lay people off. I can't just go and raise my prices to homeowners, I'll have to cut somewhere which would be jobs! Burdens like these and all the other taxes is why so many business leave the states.
Obama's never worked like a middle class person. He's had his way paid for along time. Why won't he talk about how he went to these high class colleges and allhisconnections there and how he paid for it?
WestPalm you've been out in the sun too long
10-21-2008, 07:33 AM
#30
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Roanoke, Virginia
Posts: 2,335
RE: THE REAL obama
[quote]ORIGINAL: westpalmdude
do you have a problem with someone in the middle class being president? Why would you. A person in poverty could be a better choice than him. Why do you think you have to be high class to be president?
ORIGINAL: hammerman
Not really
And what proof do you have that he's a good man? He did very little in Illinois and he's done nothing great in the senate. And his character and choice of relationships is very questionable. He has no real leadership experience.
Agreed
His taxplan is horrible! SPREAD THE WEALTH!! Why should people that have worked hard and made smart decisions and built a business pay more taxes than someone who for example decided to drop out of school and make minimum wage. It is already setupin thetax brackets that the more you make the more you pay. Obviously if you give a 10% tax cutto everyoneit's going to seem like the rich get a big break but its no bigger % than the guy that make minimum wage. Its not rocket science!
His plan sucks....again
Have you seen what Obama and his wife make? They are not in touch with the middle class!
i wish i new how much they make..wow
I don't think that the gun control will be changed but with the other elections that are up and more than likely the democrats taking charge it will become an issue.
i think the republicans will...
Oh, Hammerman, where do I start? I believe Obama is a good man because of what he has said. I believe he is a good man because, like me, he is a Christian. I believe he is a good man because I have seen the way he looks at his daughters. I believe he's a good man because in the middle of the election, he has canceled his rally dates in order to be with his dying grandmother.
Why do you think he is Christian???? He wasnt even sworn in on the Bible. Obama is gonna fool so many people with what he is sayin. Just because he cancelled a rally date doesnt mean he is a good man??
No real leadership experience? You must be referring to the exact same amount of leadership experience that Abraham Lincoln had when elected. And in case you forgot, he did alright by Illinois.
Things have changed buddy...things have changed
Finally, in regards to the wealth of Mr.and Mrs. Obama, do you really want someone from the middle class to be President? Now here's where you have to be careful, Hammerman. Obama was born into the middle class. He was raised by a single mother and two grandparents. He WORKED his way to success. Isn't that something we look for in a leader?
Barack Obama is a good man as well. His tax plan works. I'd be willing to bet that many members of this site would benefit from his plan
And what proof do you have that he's a good man? He did very little in Illinois and he's done nothing great in the senate. And his character and choice of relationships is very questionable. He has no real leadership experience.
Agreed
His taxplan is horrible! SPREAD THE WEALTH!! Why should people that have worked hard and made smart decisions and built a business pay more taxes than someone who for example decided to drop out of school and make minimum wage. It is already setupin thetax brackets that the more you make the more you pay. Obviously if you give a 10% tax cutto everyoneit's going to seem like the rich get a big break but its no bigger % than the guy that make minimum wage. Its not rocket science!
His plan sucks....again
Have you seen what Obama and his wife make? They are not in touch with the middle class!
i wish i new how much they make..wow
Furthermore, while I believe gun rights are important, there are FAR more important topics for me. Our economy, the war in Iraq, our foreign policy in general, health care, our education and our dependence on foreign oil are more pressing issues. No one is even bringingup gun control as an issue
I don't think that the gun control will be changed but with the other elections that are up and more than likely the democrats taking charge it will become an issue.
i think the republicans will...
Oh, Hammerman, where do I start? I believe Obama is a good man because of what he has said. I believe he is a good man because, like me, he is a Christian. I believe he is a good man because I have seen the way he looks at his daughters. I believe he's a good man because in the middle of the election, he has canceled his rally dates in order to be with his dying grandmother.
Why do you think he is Christian???? He wasnt even sworn in on the Bible. Obama is gonna fool so many people with what he is sayin. Just because he cancelled a rally date doesnt mean he is a good man??
No real leadership experience? You must be referring to the exact same amount of leadership experience that Abraham Lincoln had when elected. And in case you forgot, he did alright by Illinois.
Things have changed buddy...things have changed
Finally, in regards to the wealth of Mr.and Mrs. Obama, do you really want someone from the middle class to be President? Now here's where you have to be careful, Hammerman. Obama was born into the middle class. He was raised by a single mother and two grandparents. He WORKED his way to success. Isn't that something we look for in a leader?