I am on both sides of this issue due to the fact i use both. ITs a matter of preference for me and what stand i am hunting that day. But your question about why would crossbow hunters not want to hunt with a compound???? Why not? We have a choice i guess, but what i can gather from you and your posts is a selfish sense of not wanting other hunters in the woods with you during your so called bow only time. I dont agree with that logic. I dont know about all the bells and whistles that some of you are referring too, but i do know this...... the mechanism of releasing the arrow is only a small part of the "actual hunt" and all the preperation leading up to your day in the woods. You focus on the release, the draw, etc..... But in reality thats only a small part of the "hunt" Buckmagnet, on another post here, you define your idea hunting is being out in the woods, enjoying mother nature, watching wildlife etc...... , that should be afforded to all hunters right?? Or just not on your time and in your woods?

And the "monkey" reference was un called for. It goes to show that you (compounders (and i use one) hold yourselves superior to other hunters. You should think about what impact your comments have on the hunting society.

The outdoors is yours, treat it with RESPECT!!!

Edited by - buckforme on 01/22/2002 14:50:45

the stats came from the texas parks and wildlife association. what difference does it have who has an advantage. will it be next that a cheap scope does not have the same advantage as an expensive scope. or will it be one brand over another. will it be a compound with extras over one without extras. you have not given one single reason over why crossbows should not be used. you have just said why you do not like them.crossbow users have just as much of a right as compounders. why do you call crossbow users a little group. size makes no difference. we should have the right to hunt just like you have the right.what threat does a crossbow pose that a compound does not. NONE!.is it that compounders never miss and always make a perfect shot? neither do crossbowers or gun shooters. you still have not given any reason as to why crossbowers pose a threat or should not be allowed. just because you do not like crossbowers does not mean they should not be allowed. where is the reason that makes you so scared of crossbowers. it sure isn't the trail of wounded deer that compounders leave behind.

i have never stooped to calling anyone names like MONKEY. i have just debated in a correct manner. that just shows what i have been saying,compounders feel superior to other hunters.

Buck Magnet: I use a recurve crossbow with no scope (just pins). It pulls back like a bow except that I must use both arms to pull back it's draw weight. It has 100% let off. It has a mechanical release that is actived by the trigger.

Don't get me wrong, you need more skill to shoot a compound than a crossbow. Not more hunting skill, but more bow skill. The same way a recurve or longbow with no mechanical release would be more difficult to shoot than a recurve.

I believe that unless you are dedicated to developing that skill the crossbow provides the better weapon for the average hunter.

If you compare this to fishing you've got the fly fishermen who tie their own flies, then the caster with artificial lures. Next is troller followed by the kid with a worm. Each level takes more skill in some ways but they all enjoy the sport.

Dan O.

Boy has this heated up from the friendly topic it started out as.

First I'd like to say that I've never hunted with a arrow for anything.

Buck Magnet asks,

1. Why don't you use a bow if you're not disabled? Time. So what. Some people don't have as much spare time. This means they shouldn't be allowed to go when they do have the rare oppertunity? Get real. I think those saying you don't want to share the woods have nailed your REAL agenda.

2. BM states that a compound has a 35lb. weight to hold. Now while I'm not a archer even I know better than that. The newest compounds have a 83% let off. If shooting a 100 lb. bow you'd still only be holding 17 lb. A extreame example I'll grant you. But so was your claim that a compound requires you to hold 35lbs.

3. Your claim that there is a HUGE differance in favor of the X-bow is weak, at best. With all the silencers, realeases (triggers), high teck sights and exotic arrow materials now used by/on compounds they have VERY LITTLE in common with a long or recurve bow. So WHY ARE they OK in archery season but not the X-bow. NO real reason that I can find. Except that when ever the idea comes up guess who is dead set aginst it. The bow hunters, the majority of which use compounds with a HUGE advantage over traditional bows. And the REAL reasons for their objections is only that they do not wissh to share the woods with others. Selfishness! ! ! ! And that is all it is.


dep214,

You ask what good reason is there to keep out the X-bow.

I don't think there is one. But you can argue till you're blue in the face. The archers have blocked many attempts to include the X-bow. And they will continue to do so. They will not willingly share "thier season" with you. It's as simple and as sad as that.

I got the biggest kick out of someones suggestion that the X-bow be given the first week of the season. But of course the "bow hunters should get the week lost replaced latter. Yep, give them the first week in Sept. with the worst of the bugs. Serves them right, they should have used a "real" bow.

I think if the X-bow is to be limited then give them the week just before gun season. Will allow the deer to calm down sense there aren't so many of them. And the bow guys could forget getting it replaced. They have a outrageousely long season already compared to gun.

I think the compound users need to get a grip, and learn to share the outdoors. Those who wish to use x-bows should have the same right to do so that you do. Both of these weapons use sticks and string. Both require you to be very close to make a good hit compared to even a shotgun, never mind a rifle. Both require the HUNTER to have good skills in using the wind, game trails, cover scents, calls ect. ect. ect. That are not nearly as important to a gun hunter. Thus the X-bow is MUCH closer to a long bow than a real gun.




Edited by - craig on 01/22/2002 18:15:12

Do you people listen, most of my complaints were brought on by you crossbow users talking trash on compound bow users. Get REAL. Do you know your crossbow, obviously you guys don't because you have stated that compound bows have tons of gadgets for them, YOUR CROSSBOW DOES TOO. COME ON, read a cabelas every once in awhile. If you don't have the time to practice, you SHOULDN'T be in the woods trying to harvest an animal. Get a gun out and try. Sure, I may not want to give up my time to Crossbow holders, but if it was the exact opposite situation, you wouldn't want to give up your time. As for letoff of compound bows, I am talking about the NORMAL bow, you know, there are regulations for the record books that state a limit on the let off. I use 60 percent, most people use 65 percent. I am not talking about the highest let off setting that someone can get for there bow. Most GOOD archers know that too high of a let off can ruin a compound bows performance.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

i got my crossbow from bass proshops and i have not seen all the gadgets for a crossbow. they are very basic and there is not anything you can do to alter them. all the gimmicks belong to a compound.if you are so concerned give up all the gadgets and go back to a recurve.did you know that there is a crossbow made like a recurve?

To get accurate with a crossbow you need about the same practice as with a rifle. If someone wants to put more time into practicing a skill for their hunting method that's up to them. It doesn't make the rifle hunters worse hunters. They have the weapon skill to bring down game cleanly with much less practice than a recurve bow hunter.

Some of the fun of black powder is working up a load. It takes more skill than a rifle and it takes more time to learn that skill. The other nice thing about it is the extra season that we get to use it.

If it turns your crank and it's legal, do it.
But hunters shouldn't wizz on other hunters corn flakes.

Dan O.





Edited by - dan o. on 01/22/2002 19:09:55

Well Buck Magnet I'm glad to see you come out and say that what you really want is to keep the woods as private as you can. For you. Now think about this, let's take it one step farther. A skills test before you can hunt with anything. Will cut down on lost and crippled game of all kinds. And will improve the outdoor experiance for all of us that pass. Of course this will reduce our numbers and really cut into the number of young people intering the sport. But think of the great time we'd have.

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This is why X-bows should be allowed and even encouraged in all seasons as are bows. More opportunitys for more people to hunt. A good thing.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

WOW! I miss one day on the board, and look what goes on. Hey Buck Magnet, and BT, I realize that the pro-crossbow guys can rationalize some of their points in their own minds. I will save my arguements for the PA Game Commission when it comes to this subject. If it comes to this subject. Our opinion must be the most popular, because very, very few states allow crossbows in with conventional bows. If I seem insensitive because I do not approve of crossbows in archery season, that is not my intent. If anyone would care to scroll back to the earlier stages of this topic, I posted that people who have legitimate disabilities should, in my opinion, be ALLOWED to use a crossbow in archery season.