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12-01-2007, 09:09 PM
#41
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Findlay, Ohio
Posts: 3,286
RE: Hunting Question
Your right, it is all for fun! If hunting was not fun I would not do it! It is fun to be outside within nature. Fun to practice and shoot alot. Fun to do it all around! Any one that says other wise the a full of poop! If it was notfun we would not do it plain and simple! Most hunters spend alot of money on hunting, me included. I can buy alot of burger at the store for $1.99 a pound, this year I bet I spent close to a grand on hunting. So if you do the math, I did not do it so I could eat, I did it for the romance and the fun of the hunt! I feel that eating deer meat is just part of the process, the thanks I have to give back to the deer, to wast it would be a shame.
12-01-2007, 10:16 PM
#42
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Idaho
Posts: 2,072
RE: Hunting Question
Betsy, I would take the time to contact Mr. Ted Nugent. He shares many of the same feelings that you do and would love to hear from you.
If anyone can bring this to light for you,it would be him.
Best reguards!!!!
ps- please feel free to drop him an e-mail....
If anyone can bring this to light for you,it would be him.
Best reguards!!!!
ps- please feel free to drop him an e-mail....
12-01-2007, 10:50 PM
#43
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,466
RE: Hunting Question
ORIGINAL: millerhunter13
your right, that post just got me heated up[:@]
your right, that post just got me heated up[:@]
12-01-2007, 11:23 PM
#44
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: East Central Illinois
Posts: 660
RE: Hunting Question
ORIGINAL: Vabowman
Betsy, if that is your real name, I really wish you had better writing skills, I could not understandmuch of what your complaint was. Too many mistakes in your in grammer Betsyand I really did not see a thesis statement. Please learn to write and express your feelings in a way that can be understood. You see Betsy, not all hunters areuneducated rednecks. I happen to be an educator, not to mention a Summa Cum Laude graduate of Va State University. That means I graduated number one in my class with a 4.0 gpa, so please do not get on here and degrade us andspeak down to us with yourEnglish elitist attitude. I know this additude well, my in-laws are English, and yes, they feel the same way you do about hunting. Too bad for them and you, however,they do love me for what it is worth. Now, I have no problem with your opinion of hunting, to each his own. I don't care what they did in England about hunting, personally I think they have much greater problems with drug addiction and health care. Please clean your own house before your try to dirty ours.
Betsy, if that is your real name, I really wish you had better writing skills, I could not understandmuch of what your complaint was. Too many mistakes in your in grammer Betsyand I really did not see a thesis statement. Please learn to write and express your feelings in a way that can be understood. You see Betsy, not all hunters areuneducated rednecks. I happen to be an educator, not to mention a Summa Cum Laude graduate of Va State University. That means I graduated number one in my class with a 4.0 gpa, so please do not get on here and degrade us andspeak down to us with yourEnglish elitist attitude. I know this additude well, my in-laws are English, and yes, they feel the same way you do about hunting. Too bad for them and you, however,they do love me for what it is worth. Now, I have no problem with your opinion of hunting, to each his own. I don't care what they did in England about hunting, personally I think they have much greater problems with drug addiction and health care. Please clean your own house before your try to dirty ours.
12-01-2007, 11:30 PM
#45
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Grayson, GA
Posts: 272
RE: Hunting Question
Ignorance really and truly pisses me off. Hunting generates more than $67 million dollars annually for Americans. I highly doubt anyone on here is on the verge of committing a murder. If so, I don't think they would be on here talking with fellow hunters about the sport we are all so very passionate about. We were blessed with such beautiful wildlife by the Good Lord, and not taking advantage of such a blessing would be completely absurd.
Also, how do you "accidentaly" run across this website? I would think the only way you could find it is by typing in "hunting" on Google. Obviously she is a frustrated and lonely human being. I guess the lack of interest in her boring, mundane argument by her family and friends was enough to force her to try and change our opinions. Long live this sport, it is the greatest in the world (along with fishing).
Also, how do you "accidentaly" run across this website? I would think the only way you could find it is by typing in "hunting" on Google. Obviously she is a frustrated and lonely human being. I guess the lack of interest in her boring, mundane argument by her family and friends was enough to force her to try and change our opinions. Long live this sport, it is the greatest in the world (along with fishing).
12-02-2007, 12:04 AM
#46
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 957
RE: Hunting Question
ORIGINAL: wack
Dear Betsy, I've had the pleasure of taking an English man hunting here in the states and found it very interesting. He came to visit, and sounded a lot like you. He went hunting with us, that was 17 years ago. He never went back to England and has hunted every year since. He and his wife never knew such a beautiful place existed and were amazed by all the wildlife they've seen here. Why? Because of the way we manage our wildlife, and the way we respect our wildlife.
From what I understand, the English have no business telling us how to manage our wild life. In England, only the filthy rich can afford to hunt what very little game you have left. The English fox hunts, talk about playing dress up, does not resemble in the least what hunting is about in the states. Just how many Englishmen, horses and dogs does it take to run down a little fox until they can't run no more? How many people does that little fox feed? yuk!
Now I can not expect you to understand what it's like to hunt. It's something you have to experience for yourself and that is not possible in your country. I doubt you even have the right to own a firearm much less have a place to hunt or enough wild game to hunt. I live in Wisconsin where we have a couple million deer. Deer car collissions kill a lot of deer and also humans. We have so many that the only alturnative to hunting is letting them starve to death. How long and painfull would that be? How humane? Farmers grow crops to feed the world, left unchecked the deer and other wildlife would certainly strip the fields bare. One farm I used to hunt had 75% crop damage caused by deer and turkeys. With out hunting and the management that we have, either the farmer would be out of buisiness or, like England, the deer would be all gone. Fortunately, we're smarter than that and when the populations get to high, hunters step up to the plate and bring the numbers down to a managible number. If the deer population gets to low, we respect the animal and protect them.
Wisconsin is one of 50 states.This past gun deer season hunters killed 70,000 + deer in Wisconsin. Lucky hunters who got more deer than they needed, donate the meat to local food pantries. This feeds thousands of hungry people. To be able to provide meat for my family and feed families I don't even know, puts joy in my heart. It's also good to know that if I should fall on hard times, I can depend on my hunting brothers to share in the harvest.
Now if I were to take you hunting here in Wisconsin, first you would have to attend hunter's safety class. You can't get a license to hunt with out it. They teach you how to handle a gun safely, teach you how to shoot, teach you the laws and regulations. 70,000 armed hunters in the woods for 9 days and we had only 3 accidents, 2 fatalities. Apparently we know what we are doing.
As for the fun in it? Families hunt together, friends hunt together, it's a celebration. The adrenalin you get when you see a deer/ take a deer is unexplainable. You have to experience it to understand. If that is 1 step away from killing humans then we have over 70,000 killers in Wisconsin and this certainly would not be a safe place to live. Wisconsin is every bit as safe of place to live as England only a lot better. That is a statement I've heard your own countryman say after living here for a few years.
I can understand your disgust with some of the so called hunters, they also disgust many of us hunters. One bad apple so to speak, but as a whole, for most hunters it's not about the killing. You'd find out that those who talk like idiots also hunt like idiots, and they couldn't get close to deer if they wanted too. They're just talk and peer pressure usually straightens them out.
Dear Betsy, I've had the pleasure of taking an English man hunting here in the states and found it very interesting. He came to visit, and sounded a lot like you. He went hunting with us, that was 17 years ago. He never went back to England and has hunted every year since. He and his wife never knew such a beautiful place existed and were amazed by all the wildlife they've seen here. Why? Because of the way we manage our wildlife, and the way we respect our wildlife.
From what I understand, the English have no business telling us how to manage our wild life. In England, only the filthy rich can afford to hunt what very little game you have left. The English fox hunts, talk about playing dress up, does not resemble in the least what hunting is about in the states. Just how many Englishmen, horses and dogs does it take to run down a little fox until they can't run no more? How many people does that little fox feed? yuk!
Now I can not expect you to understand what it's like to hunt. It's something you have to experience for yourself and that is not possible in your country. I doubt you even have the right to own a firearm much less have a place to hunt or enough wild game to hunt. I live in Wisconsin where we have a couple million deer. Deer car collissions kill a lot of deer and also humans. We have so many that the only alturnative to hunting is letting them starve to death. How long and painfull would that be? How humane? Farmers grow crops to feed the world, left unchecked the deer and other wildlife would certainly strip the fields bare. One farm I used to hunt had 75% crop damage caused by deer and turkeys. With out hunting and the management that we have, either the farmer would be out of buisiness or, like England, the deer would be all gone. Fortunately, we're smarter than that and when the populations get to high, hunters step up to the plate and bring the numbers down to a managible number. If the deer population gets to low, we respect the animal and protect them.
Wisconsin is one of 50 states.This past gun deer season hunters killed 70,000 + deer in Wisconsin. Lucky hunters who got more deer than they needed, donate the meat to local food pantries. This feeds thousands of hungry people. To be able to provide meat for my family and feed families I don't even know, puts joy in my heart. It's also good to know that if I should fall on hard times, I can depend on my hunting brothers to share in the harvest.
Now if I were to take you hunting here in Wisconsin, first you would have to attend hunter's safety class. You can't get a license to hunt with out it. They teach you how to handle a gun safely, teach you how to shoot, teach you the laws and regulations. 70,000 armed hunters in the woods for 9 days and we had only 3 accidents, 2 fatalities. Apparently we know what we are doing.
As for the fun in it? Families hunt together, friends hunt together, it's a celebration. The adrenalin you get when you see a deer/ take a deer is unexplainable. You have to experience it to understand. If that is 1 step away from killing humans then we have over 70,000 killers in Wisconsin and this certainly would not be a safe place to live. Wisconsin is every bit as safe of place to live as England only a lot better. That is a statement I've heard your own countryman say after living here for a few years.
I can understand your disgust with some of the so called hunters, they also disgust many of us hunters. One bad apple so to speak, but as a whole, for most hunters it's not about the killing. You'd find out that those who talk like idiots also hunt like idiots, and they couldn't get close to deer if they wanted too. They're just talk and peer pressure usually straightens them out.
12-02-2007, 05:15 AM
#47
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,876
RE: Hunting Question
ORIGINAL: betsy_
I'm English actually, I don't know what Texas RoadHouse is, and I only buy free range/organic meat, I'm well aware hunting is often far more kind that the average slaughterhouse, hence why I don't buy from them. I have no problem with killing to eat, as I said before, but I have a problem when people dress up and view it as a game when they can't even shoot to kill; people should be aware of what they're actually doing before they buy a gun and set out hunting.
I know people who go shooting, and do it well and eat their game, as many here seem to, and thats great; but I also know people who can't manage to hit to kill and it's honestly disgusting, and there seemed to be a fare amount of people on this website like that as well.
I'm English actually, I don't know what Texas RoadHouse is, and I only buy free range/organic meat, I'm well aware hunting is often far more kind that the average slaughterhouse, hence why I don't buy from them. I have no problem with killing to eat, as I said before, but I have a problem when people dress up and view it as a game when they can't even shoot to kill; people should be aware of what they're actually doing before they buy a gun and set out hunting.
I know people who go shooting, and do it well and eat their game, as many here seem to, and thats great; but I also know people who can't manage to hit to kill and it's honestly disgusting, and there seemed to be a fare amount of people on this website like that as well.
You'd really get some respect from me if you were as, or should be even more appalled with abortion. If your not your more closer to killing another human being than I as a hunter am in my book. You've already declared oneclass of people worthless. Taking the leap to including others is a lot shorter for you than me.
I am also one hunter who teaches others that pointing a firearm at anyone in a hunting situation, isenoughto cause a person to rethink ever holding one again.We have strict rules here that are taught to almost everyone who holds a license in the safe operation of a firearm.
It's understandable that you wouldn't know what led's up to the act of killing the animal, nor what comes after that encompasses our "fun". Fun is just a term we use that falls far short. Kind of like saying the guy who walked on the moon was just having fun. It's a huge accomplishment.
12-02-2007, 05:53 AM
#48
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,102
RE: Hunting Question
I was going to put forth the effort and time that many of you have and than I just thought the heck with it! We all know the the vast majority of hunters are fine people and good citizens.We all know that almost all of us make every effort possible to be well practiced with our weapon of choice so that we make quick efficient kills.
Trying to have someone understand something that they have no cultural reference to is pointless.I am sure if she was openminded enough to meet any of us personally and come to our homes she would have a different opinion as to who we are!
If she were american and looking to influence an anti hunting initiative I would be all over this! If she wants to post sincere questions without a preconceived opinion and without being insulting toany of us I will make every effort to provide responses.
Trying to have someone understand something that they have no cultural reference to is pointless.I am sure if she was openminded enough to meet any of us personally and come to our homes she would have a different opinion as to who we are!
If she were american and looking to influence an anti hunting initiative I would be all over this! If she wants to post sincere questions without a preconceived opinion and without being insulting toany of us I will make every effort to provide responses.
12-02-2007, 06:22 AM
#49
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Illinois
Posts: 167
RE: Hunting Question
Betsy you mention that we look silly to the rest of the world getting dress up in our little army outfits. What about that Royal guardsman that wears that big fuzzy hat, talk about silly looking. Next time I go out hunting I won't wear my little army outfit, I'll go butt naked. I personally think you are an idiot, you come to this forum and no nothing about hunting but you can tell us that we are wrong. Last this is nothing about hunting but if it wasn't for the Americans you would be speaking German today.
12-02-2007, 06:38 AM
#50
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,867
RE: Hunting Question
there are people out the that go to a high fence op and pay a bunch of money just to kill something allow must of us are not that way
ORIGINAL: tFOX
It isn't killing for fun,it is hunting for fun,there is a HUGE difference.The kill is the end of the hunt but the enjoyment comes in the pursuit.It is a chessmatch that the animal wins 99% of the time.That is what the fun is.
Even the so called free range"organic" meat has to be killed and they have no chance of survival.The animals we hunt have a better chance of survival than being killed.That is the fun and the rush we feel.It is the pursuit and there is an adrenaline rush when the hunt is succesful.
Hang around here for a while,you might just start to understand it.
ORIGINAL: betsy_
I'm English actually, I don't know what Texas RoadHouse is, and I only buy free range/organic meat, I'm well aware hunting is often far more kind that the average slaughterhouse, hence why I don't buy from them. I have no problem with killing to eat, as I said before, but I have a problem when people dress up and view it as a game when they can't even shoot to kill; people should be aware of what they're actually doing before they buy a gun and set out hunting.
I know people who go shooting, and do it well and eat their game, as many here seem to, and thats great; but I also know people who can't manage to hit to kill and it's honestly disgusting, and there seemed to be a fare amount of people on this website like that as well.
I'm English actually, I don't know what Texas RoadHouse is, and I only buy free range/organic meat, I'm well aware hunting is often far more kind that the average slaughterhouse, hence why I don't buy from them. I have no problem with killing to eat, as I said before, but I have a problem when people dress up and view it as a game when they can't even shoot to kill; people should be aware of what they're actually doing before they buy a gun and set out hunting.
I know people who go shooting, and do it well and eat their game, as many here seem to, and thats great; but I also know people who can't manage to hit to kill and it's honestly disgusting, and there seemed to be a fare amount of people on this website like that as well.
It isn't killing for fun,it is hunting for fun,there is a HUGE difference.The kill is the end of the hunt but the enjoyment comes in the pursuit.It is a chessmatch that the animal wins 99% of the time.That is what the fun is.
Even the so called free range"organic" meat has to be killed and they have no chance of survival.The animals we hunt have a better chance of survival than being killed.That is the fun and the rush we feel.It is the pursuit and there is an adrenaline rush when the hunt is succesful.
Hang around here for a while,you might just start to understand it.