VA Mike,

Well I will addressthe running shot issuebut only briefly as there wasrecently about 12 pages on that topic(I will try to link it for you in case you want to read it). It all depends on the circumstances, the weapon, the distance and the individual shooter. This is one of my statements from the other thread:

"A bow, a rifle, and a shotgun are all different weapons with different characteristics. When I bowhunt or rifle hunt I am still hunting and usually don't see running deer so I guess that is one reason but more importantly Iwouldn't feel confident with my bow or rifle shooting at running deer as it is not something I practice with those pieces of equipment. Now a shotgun is different for obvious reasons and shooting clays and other moving targets is pretty common practice.

I should not have said advocate in my earlier post just simply I do not take running shots with my bow or rifle. I'm sure there are many who can do it with a rifle(I'm not one)but a bow has some trajectory issues and I personallywouldn't feel comfortable or confident in that kind of shot.

You draw the line by knowing your equipment(in my case it is a shotgun) and what it and you are capable of. Anything beyond those capabilities you don't shoot."

Here is the linkif it works:

RE: How do you hit a running deer?

News,

The difference is that most of the landowners have repeatedly asked the dog runners to stop coming on their property. They have gotten no help from the authorities and continue to lose precious days in the field. Most of us are backed into a corner. We look one direction and see finding another place to hunt and avoiding any confrontation while taking a loss on the property we are paying for. (Thats the "Tolerate them" path) We look the other direction and see breaking the law, but standing up for our rights when the authorities won't. Tell me, what would you do if most of your hunting days in the field were ruined by the dog runners. I am curious to hear a solution from you. Don't say talk to them, it's been tried and they won't listen or change their tactics. Don't say the authorities, most of them are in these clubs and nothing gets done, I've tried that. Please let me know what you would do while walking in our shoes.

Mike

sorry

Arguing, name calling, "supplemental" feeding, the idea that you can't hunt quail without dogs, citing legislation, more name calling, more arguing. This thread almost beats last weekends fight between 3 year old lanse junior and his 6 year old cousin over a spiderman doll.

It's not a doll, it's an action figure.

You are an anti-hunter for saying that[][][][][]

Hey Lance,

I know that this seems argumentative, but there are a lot of us on here that have a huge problem with all the dogs that run on our land. I just want to hear a solution from the guys that always defend chasing their dogs on other peoples land. Now if Lanse Jr's spiderman doll cost you $150,000 to purchaseand taxes every year, I bet you would have settled that fight pretty quickly.

Mike

Ouch. That hurts. I went through a stage of insanity purchasing collectible action figures... I'd love to sell them off.... You know anyone in the market for about 200 12" GI Joes?

If i had to shell out 150K, i might consider taking up golf instead of what passes for deer hunting for some folks.[&:]

Seriously, this is a no-brainer. If there are laws about running deer with dogs then people should obey them. If they don't, then call the law. But, we don't need dozens of pages of threads condemning an entire tradition just because some people have had bad experiences or simply don't like (or understand) it. And its no skin off my nose because i don't dog hunt and can understand where it could be a pain in the but sometimes. But, i think that same thing about a lot of stuff, but don't fly off the handle about it. Besides, i've seen a lot more "tresspassing" by bird dogs, coonhounds, beagles, etc, than by deer dogs. Just my two cents worth.

I was not saying that I think it's no big deal for dogs to run loose over land that their owners' don't have permission to hunt. I was just saying that I think that it is a huge deal to shoot someones hunting dog. I have a limited understanding of the frustration that some of you guys are feeling, as I do have some exposure to it. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution and I don't believe that there is a simple one. (That is why I mentioned the committee and when I get more info. on how it is set-up I will post it if anyone thinks it will help your situation.)There is a difference between a dog hunter who sets out on his land and the trail goes over the property line. (Assuming that the hounds were let out on a sufficient amount of land, the 5 acres that someone else mentioned is a joke.) Versus the guy who lets up 3 properties over and hunts the roads "trying to catchdogs". One of the factors that leads to so much trouble is the fact that it is hard to get in front of a 100 lbs. Walker that is hot on a trail and, outside of shocking him into a comma, there is really no way to turn him. I think that one reason they started the committee here is that too many of the discussions between the still hunters and the dog hunters were turning physical. It really is a divide in the deer hunting community every where I have been exposed to it, that is why I liked the idea of an impartial mediator.