Experts turkey hunting ?
03-25-2008, 11:41 AM
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Experts turkey hunting ?
Why do these guys make turkey hunting sound like a black at ? I went to a seminar and when I left I don't know how I ever killed one. Maybe I don'T hunt enough. I've killed 1-2 turkeys every Spring for 45 yrs all I use is a single call,my single shot 12,full choke and a cammo shirt and hat.
If I took all the stuff they had for sale I would need a burro to carry it. No wonder a guy starting out is so confused. Heck I even caught a turkey once with my bare hands, he was stuck in a woven wire fence after I scared him and he took off running. Still got the scars to prove it.
If I took all the stuff they had for sale I would need a burro to carry it. No wonder a guy starting out is so confused. Heck I even caught a turkey once with my bare hands, he was stuck in a woven wire fence after I scared him and he took off running. Still got the scars to prove it.
03-25-2008, 11:51 AM
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Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
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RE: Experts turkey hunting ?
ORIGINAL: Hard Luck
Why do these guys make turkey hunting sound like a black at ? I went to a seminar and when I left I don't know how I ever killed one. Maybe I don'T hunt enough. I've killed 1-2 turkeys every Spring for 45 yrs all I use is a single call,my single shot 12,full choke and a cammo shirt and hat.
If I took all the stuff they had for sale I would need a burro to carry it. No wonder a guy starting out is so confused. Heck I even caught a turkey once with my bare hands, he was stuck in a woven wire fence after I scared him and he took off running. Still got the scars to prove it.
Why do these guys make turkey hunting sound like a black at ? I went to a seminar and when I left I don't know how I ever killed one. Maybe I don'T hunt enough. I've killed 1-2 turkeys every Spring for 45 yrs all I use is a single call,my single shot 12,full choke and a cammo shirt and hat.
If I took all the stuff they had for sale I would need a burro to carry it. No wonder a guy starting out is so confused. Heck I even caught a turkey once with my bare hands, he was stuck in a woven wire fence after I scared him and he took off running. Still got the scars to prove it.
Thats an easy one.
You gotta keep in mind that a Pro Staffer is little short of a field experienced salesman. I'm living proof that you don't have to be a super expert hunter to be a pro staffer. You do need to know what you are talking about of course, but mostly you need to be friendly, approachable, tactful, and somewhat business minded.
As a customer, or a member of the audience at a turkey seminar (I'm on stage more than in the audience these days), I'd say just keep an open mind. You can't really expect a semiar to be like a church sermon... full of lessons and answers. What you should look for is just a little tip, or small trick that may work here or there.
I'll tell you Hard Luck... there are LOTS of ways to kill turkeys. Most seminars cover topics and products that are most likely to appeal to the hunters in the target market. Right now, that is relatively young hunters (20-35 years old) with a bit of disposable income that are just getting into turkey hunting, or have been turkey hunting 5 springs or fewer. Most of these newer hunters are looking for ways to get ahead. They don't have a lot of patience. They like to "run and gun". They think they have to find a hot bird in order to be successful. They look at folks on TV and how they start out in the morning with a bird roaring from the roost, they set up some $100 decoys... and here they all come. Most of us know... it doesn't work that way.
You, like myself, probably learned turkey hunting from actually turkey hunting. And we will probably agree that you can kill the snot out of turkeys if you know the property, and understand turkeys...and you can do it with suprisingly little besides camoflauge, a comfortable seat, a simple call, and a pocketful of patience. Most people now would rather learn it on TV, on the net, or at a seminar. There is nothing wrong with seminars, they can be full of great advice and useful tips... you just have to take them for what they are... opinionated, experience based knowledge, with an underlying sales pitch.
03-25-2008, 11:52 AM
#3
Typical Buck
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RE: Experts turkey hunting ?
These experts are all employed by some manufacture that wants every hunter to BUY, BUY ,BUY their products.Notice how you never see any of these EXPERTS hunting highly pressured turkeys on some game lands in PA,or any other public over hunted tract of land, on there show.Most of them are pushing some outfitter that also wants to SELL, SELL,SELL.
03-25-2008, 12:13 PM
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RE: Experts turkey hunting ?
SIMPLE TO ME HARD LUCK -
YOU HAVE DEVELOPED EXCELLENT WOODSMANSHIP SKILLS - YOU KNOW YOUR QUARRY
I forone ('bet' <- am taking this word out) KNOWNI could learn a great deal from you!
JW
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YOU HAVE DEVELOPED EXCELLENT WOODSMANSHIP SKILLS - YOU KNOW YOUR QUARRY
I forone ('bet' <- am taking this word out) KNOWNI could learn a great deal from you!
JW
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03-25-2008, 12:59 PM
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Michigan
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RE: Experts turkey hunting ?
Yeah a lot of these seminars are interesting, but some things they say sound like you have to be at a certain rank to execute these "tactics". Like SwampCollie said, on TV they always show setting up near roosted birds, setting up decoys, a little calling and get ready to shoot. That definetly doesnt work every time.
03-25-2008, 01:37 PM
#6
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: El Dorado Kansas
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RE: Experts turkey hunting ?
I don't go to them, they all preach the same thing, same products... different names.... all that crap.
I use the same stuff every year, seminars are to sell stuff to the rich guys who just hunt to prove something, most of the time they dont even eat the game.
I agree with you.... Simple..
I take out very little.....
I use the same stuff every year, seminars are to sell stuff to the rich guys who just hunt to prove something, most of the time they dont even eat the game.
I agree with you.... Simple..
I take out very little.....
03-25-2008, 02:04 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Experts turkey hunting ?
ORIGINAL: ultimag
These experts are all employed by some manufacture that wants every hunter to BUY, BUY ,BUY their products.Notice how you never see any of these EXPERTS hunting highly pressured turkeys on some game lands in PA,or any other public over hunted tract of land, on there show.Most of them are pushing some outfitter that also wants to SELL, SELL,SELL.
These experts are all employed by some manufacture that wants every hunter to BUY, BUY ,BUY their products.Notice how you never see any of these EXPERTS hunting highly pressured turkeys on some game lands in PA,or any other public over hunted tract of land, on there show.Most of them are pushing some outfitter that also wants to SELL, SELL,SELL.
Seminars are all done differently. Not every prostaff out there, does them the same, if you want to see something different you need to sit in one of mine. I do however have to talk about the companies that support me and that is only fair, as part of basket, but again these companies help with the success I have in the woods. I do also bring up items that are a benefit to me in the woods and if itworks for me and could be a great tool for you too, I tell you about it and receive nothing from them, I paid for it in the first place.
I also not only tell you about a product that I may stand behind, I show you how to use it too. Seminars are not given toa Prostaffer to do for a company; they are formed from the staffer and presented by the staffer that does them. This makes everyone different and everyone you could possibly learn from as well.
Hunters that all ready know most of everything will not learn a lot, but Hunters that want to pick up a tip and listen for that something different will collect what he showed up for.
As far as I'm concerned Seminars are one of the best learning tools out there and I don't care how many birds you have killed or how long you have hunted, you will hear something from mine that you have not heard of before I hold nothing back on the stage.
03-25-2008, 07:20 PM
#9
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: North Central, Iowa
Posts: 1,900
RE: Experts turkey hunting ?
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie
Thats an easy one.
You gotta keep in mind that a Pro Staffer is little short of a field experienced salesman. I'm living proof that you don't have to be a super expert hunter to be a pro staffer. You do need to know what you are talking about of course, but mostly you need to be friendly, approachable, tactful, and somewhat business minded.
As a customer, or a member of the audience at a turkey seminar (I'm on stage more than in the audience these days), I'd say just keep an open mind. You can't really expect a semiar to be like a church sermon... full of lessons and answers. What you should look for is just a little tip, or small trick that may work here or there.
I'll tell you Hard Luck... there are LOTS of ways to kill turkeys. Most seminars cover topics and products that are most likely to appeal to the hunters in the target market. Right now, that is relatively young hunters (20-35 years old) with a bit of disposable income that are just getting into turkey hunting, or have been turkey hunting 5 springs or fewer. Most of these newer hunters are looking for ways to get ahead. They don't have a lot of patience. They like to "run and gun". They think they have to find a hot bird in order to be successful. They look at folks on TV and how they start out in the morning with a bird roaring from the roost, they set up some $100 decoys... and here they all come. Most of us know... it doesn't work that way.
You, like myself, probably learned turkey hunting from actually turkey hunting. And we will probably agree that you can kill the snot out of turkeys if you know the property, and understand turkeys...and you can do it with suprisingly little besides camoflauge, a comfortable seat, a simple call, and a pocketful of patience. Most people now would rather learn it on TV, on the net, or at a seminar. There is nothing wrong with seminars, they can be full of great advice and useful tips... you just have to take them for what they are... opinionated, experience based knowledge, with an underlying sales pitch.
ORIGINAL: Hard Luck
Why do these guys make turkey hunting sound like a black at ? I went to a seminar and when I left I don't know how I ever killed one. Maybe I don'T hunt enough. I've killed 1-2 turkeys every Spring for 45 yrs all I use is a single call,my single shot 12,full choke and a cammo shirt and hat.
If I took all the stuff they had for sale I would need a burro to carry it. No wonder a guy starting out is so confused. Heck I even caught a turkey once with my bare hands, he was stuck in a woven wire fence after I scared him and he took off running. Still got the scars to prove it.
Why do these guys make turkey hunting sound like a black at ? I went to a seminar and when I left I don't know how I ever killed one. Maybe I don'T hunt enough. I've killed 1-2 turkeys every Spring for 45 yrs all I use is a single call,my single shot 12,full choke and a cammo shirt and hat.
If I took all the stuff they had for sale I would need a burro to carry it. No wonder a guy starting out is so confused. Heck I even caught a turkey once with my bare hands, he was stuck in a woven wire fence after I scared him and he took off running. Still got the scars to prove it.
Thats an easy one.
You gotta keep in mind that a Pro Staffer is little short of a field experienced salesman. I'm living proof that you don't have to be a super expert hunter to be a pro staffer. You do need to know what you are talking about of course, but mostly you need to be friendly, approachable, tactful, and somewhat business minded.
As a customer, or a member of the audience at a turkey seminar (I'm on stage more than in the audience these days), I'd say just keep an open mind. You can't really expect a semiar to be like a church sermon... full of lessons and answers. What you should look for is just a little tip, or small trick that may work here or there.
I'll tell you Hard Luck... there are LOTS of ways to kill turkeys. Most seminars cover topics and products that are most likely to appeal to the hunters in the target market. Right now, that is relatively young hunters (20-35 years old) with a bit of disposable income that are just getting into turkey hunting, or have been turkey hunting 5 springs or fewer. Most of these newer hunters are looking for ways to get ahead. They don't have a lot of patience. They like to "run and gun". They think they have to find a hot bird in order to be successful. They look at folks on TV and how they start out in the morning with a bird roaring from the roost, they set up some $100 decoys... and here they all come. Most of us know... it doesn't work that way.
You, like myself, probably learned turkey hunting from actually turkey hunting. And we will probably agree that you can kill the snot out of turkeys if you know the property, and understand turkeys...and you can do it with suprisingly little besides camoflauge, a comfortable seat, a simple call, and a pocketful of patience. Most people now would rather learn it on TV, on the net, or at a seminar. There is nothing wrong with seminars, they can be full of great advice and useful tips... you just have to take them for what they are... opinionated, experience based knowledge, with an underlying sales pitch.
