You know when I talk a about public verses private. I'm talking about PRIVATE!!!!!

I know there are a lot of private property that get hammered like public..

I'm not talking about the 50 acres that joe blow has and lets 20 different people hunt... I'm not talking about uncle joes 250 acre farm that all the neighbors and all the neighbors friends hunt... I'm talking about the 500-1500 acre PRIME private property.... That is strickly limited to who hunts it... You know the kind of places that the Drury/Primos boy hunt...

I know there is alot of people on this forum that hunt places like this and that is fine. Just don't try and tell me that my turkeys I hunt on my public land are no harder to hunt then your unpressured field birds...

Yep I know the kinda places you speak of...and it's to each their own I guess..just like high fence whitetail hunting. However..when it comes to bragginor acting like you've accomplished something..I'm not interested in hearing about the guided hunts where it takes one day to fill tags..unhunted gobblers..etc.
Might as well be huntin a rooster on viagra in thebarn yard.

You guys are killin' me![8D]I must say,people in the business of making videos and selling calls,must hunt places such as that,or they'd go broke!Honestly no one really believes that hunting videos are 100% "WILD" animals do they?I could make a real hunting video with real wild birds,and real hard core calling lessons,and you probably couldn't sell 50 copies of it.People love this sit down,yelp,talk out loud "There he is whenever you want him" ,while you point at the bird.Where the entire hunt lasts 5 minutes,and the Guide isWearing blue jeans while the hunter is in full camo.You know you like it.

Your point is a no brainer Longbeard,but before I'd make light of someone like Mark Drury you better meet him first!I've competed against him and talked with him personally from North Carolina to Missouri on a plane years back!Not only is he one of the nicest fellow hunters I've met he's got as much knowledge when it comes to callin in longbeardsas anyone I've ever met!!!I agree the video world and some individuals involved init do the sport a complete unjustice but there are some individuals out there that know more about turkey than a turkey knows about himself!!!

Who? Name one. Every time I read these posts I gotta shake my head.Explain to me what ya mean by harder to hunt.Diffrent yes but harder no.I have some questions for anyone who thinks it's harder.Do you park where everyone else does and walk in the same direction as everyone else?Do you yelp your butt off even though the real hens aren't yelpin?Just cause someone else bumps a bird,Do you give up on that bird?The list goes on and on.I'd like to explain somethin about gobblers(correct me if I'm wrong) In the Spring ,gobblers got one thing on their mind.When you call you are supposed to be a hen.If they won't come to the callin of a hen,they won't breed and the population will die off.Think about it.How are the real hens callin?and from where? example,I'm gonna hunt a pressured tom./Go to his strut zone(found this in preseason scoutin) It won't be far from his roostin sight./Set up/use clucks and purrs/Be ready,He's more than likely gonna come in silent.This is just one example.Another example quite a few years ago I called in a couple of longbeards on heavy hunted ground.The guy I was with took his first longbeard.He said he wished I coulda got a shot at the other.I told him to relax and take a nap.He looked at me like I was crazy.After a few minutes we could hear carsdown on the road leavin.1/2 later I told him to keep his eyes open and I made a few gobbler yelps(very few) 10 min. later I saw the red head commin through the brush.He came in silent.Right to the same spot my buddy shot his bird less than an hour earlier.Nothin is guarenteed.NOBODY,kills a bird everytime out but like Bobgobble said persistance pays off.Like anythin else you'll get back from turkey huntin what you put into it.

I just can't understand as too why people make remarks on something that they are not sure on.
Bob is right about Mark , he is a 100% guy as I know him personaly myself.

Longbeard , you talk of the small tracks of Private that your not talking about , but the large tracks instead. At home here we don't have land tracks any bigger then 100acres. The odd farmer may have a couple hundred side by side , but on the most part they are the small tracks you are not talking about, that you say. It is real common to have 50 acres parcels because of break up land deals and housing placed on the small properties. The turkey hunter numbers are over the roof here in Ontario, it has got that there is no more land for new turkey hunters to hunt on, as most of the older hunters have it all. As you say , the nabours and friends all hunt the same land tracks 5-6 people to 100 acres. Thats the type of land I hunt every year here.

Now the Jab at the video production that was above. Some of these companies pay big bucks to hunt these 10,000's of acres of ranches at the start of the season just for footage, they are not pushing the fact that they are hunting hard hunted birds , but are producing what the average hunter wants to see. They are not fenced in birds , just managed and as you say not hunted hard, but this conversation was not anything to do with Video work at the start. I have hunted this type of hunt myself ONCE and this is also why I know what they are about.

WE had a film crew up here last spring to try and put a Canadian Turkey hunt on video for some difference in watching. Well we put a week into it and had lots of action and a number of all mosts , but in the end we only had one gobbler that came into range that I had to let walk because we were not setup right for the proper footage. Now if Companies did this same thing all over the US and tried to film the areas the average hunter hunts , well No body would ever watch a turkey video or DVD. I know that for a fact. I have killed Turkeys all across North America and have did it on some Public land along the way, but I still like to sit and watch Turkey videos and not to look at it like I'm any better then the ones on the video , but mearly dream about being in the same spot come spring and have the same chance. Years back vidoes were very good at learning , but some of the stuff that has came out in the last 4-5 years is getting a little hard at trying to see the insides of the hunt. Primo's Video's have turned into a Killing show, they kill a bird and the next set they are another place killing another and another, No one can learn from that and truth be known it get sickning after a while.

Longbeard I will say I understand your last post as to properties and what you said was exactly what I was talking about some Public land can be every bit as frustrating as Public...BT

Sad to say that Kentucky is losing more precious public ground. Peabody WMAis selling more of its holdings, leaving thousands of hunters lookin for new places to hunt. At one time, Peabody was a public hunters dream! Rough terrain that culled the less serious and full of birds. Sure has changed in the past 4 years. Im nearly in tears over this ground that had become nearly sacred to me!

Unsettling comment Adrian.I thought people bought these videos to watch animals be harvested?I do.I haven't really learned much on how to hunt anything from any video manufacturer,but I enjoy the livelyhood of the Primos bunch.They have some great footage,and keep it fun.Not boring like some of the others,and atleast they don't have music overbreaing in the back ground like the wasted DVD I got from M/O last year...Last year Primos'video was exceptional,and they do,do their fair share of talking.If I see a 2 hour video vs a 3 hour video for the same price..I'm buying the 3 hour video first.If I see a video with 20 kills vs a video with 34 kills.I'm getting the 34 kill video first.I'll buy them all eventually but that's how I decide on which one to buy with part of the grocery money that week.[8D]Personally I like the drury boys too,but I am going to take up for Primos since no one else has.

Iwill take up for them as well. Just watched The Truth 17 and it was the normal awesome. enjoy being there with them @ thier side when they pull the trigger

Well boys , its not that putting them down in a whole , but the videos need a little more of what happened in the hunt.

I have 130 turkey hunting videos of my own here and from back years ago when you could sit and learn a trick or two , so I hate to tell you this but you have been missing out

I just had some of the Primos tapes lent to me and have to say they sure have changed over the years. I can only take Primos a little at a time. If they spent 1/2 of the time talking on the porch and the rest out in the woods about the hunt , then I could see they would be better in my view. Now Mark and Terry put togeather some good footage over the years. But I can tell you that video work has changed to killing instead of learning in my opinion. Sorry you don't like my opinion word of killing instead of harvest , but I will not cater to the anti's and use the lauguge they want to hear...BT