Not even close wyvern!!! I own my own land, someone else out hunting the land that borders mine isn't going to be an inferior to me one bit unless the SOB does something stupid!! If you have shot some nice animals in the past then you should know that just being out there doesn't get your animal! You have to put time in. I see and understand your opinions but yet have I seen you understand mine!!

You bicker while deer hunting. I usually don't make any noise deer hunting. Might explain why you quit. Yep, I used to do alot of squirrel hunting when I was a kid myself.

so whats the deal? Your here to take up trad archery for squirrels and rabbits? I highly recommend you stick to the shotgun for ducks. But I do have alot of friends who do squirrel hunt and rabbit with trad bows. So you can do it.

Considering that some squirrel hunts can be more of a challenge than some of the deer hunts i have heard about on here, it is something that i like to stick with.

And if you have ever heard two guys screamng at each other out in the woods over who gets to put a stand where, then you would know that some folks do bicker while out there.

I suggest you stay away from those folks. Can't say I experience the same. You can always go out and buy some land. That way, you will be quiet in the woods, and deer hunting should be much more successful for you with your trad bow.

Thanks New! There is nothing I can do about the new way of bow hunting. It is what it is! I just cringe when someone can sit there and pull a trigger on a bow thats already cocked and loaded and call it bow hunting. I know I'm in the minority on how I feel about this. Yes I might be old fashioned, just the way I am I guess.

You can't get away from all the nonsense. Hell, you go into Walmart and look at the slug guns and you got some kid that is barely old enough to vote lecturing you that real hunters don't use guns. It reaches the point where hanging around people during deer season is like being around a bunch of bitchy old women.

And I do own my own land, but since deer hunting is not particularly high on my list of hunting to begin with, I just tend to let other folks hunt it nowdays.

Lanse, I never said they shouldn't be used for hunting, and no, I haven't hunted with one. Why try to tag something on me I never said? Again, they aren't just a bow--they are a bow-plus. That's my opinion. I'm not kicking, screaming, pitching a fit, questioning intellect, calling names, etc. just because you or anyone else doesn't agree with me. I have no need for that kind of behavior to state my opinion or make my points.

You've shot some different bows, but you don't hunt with them, haven't hunted with them, and have no desire to hunt with them--yet you feel justified in stating your opinion. Archery has been a big part of my life for most of the last 20 years, but because I haven't hunted with a crossbow, my opinions have no foundation? Again, that is just too funny.

Wyvern, where did I "whine"? I stated my opinion, no more and no less. I've said over and over I have no animosity towards the weapon or those who use them. Why can't you just address the points I made rather thantry and turn it into something personal? If you have to make up things as you go along to try and state your case, maybe you should re-evaluate your stance.

You say I'm making assumptions about where crossbows are headed. Maybe.....but it doesn't take a genious to see what has happened with compounds in the last 15 years. Once the opportunity for big money appears, things change. Crossbows have made some big changes even with the very limited market they've had--when the floodgates open and competition goes wild, do you think for one second there won't be a race for faster, better, easier?

Art, I agree 100%. I'm not at war with anyone, or with crossbows. I just took the oportunity to state my opinion. Honestly I was suprised at the attitudes displayed--the staunch defense of crossbows as being "just another bow",but especiallythe methods used to "defend" them. I expected better from this bunch.

Chad

He still stirred the pot pretty well though. So it was mission accomplished. I knew as soon as I read the topic.

Your opinion that a crossbow is not a bow is just that...an opinion. Facts dispute that but that does not matter to you, so we moved on...

"Do you understand why some people like myself have a problem with these xbows being locked and ready to be shot unlike my recurve? This is my only problem with them. Do you understand why it might bug me some?"

If you own your own land...and no one else is bothering you...WHY DOES IT BUG YOU??? What does it matter?? There is a "Schultzy Standard" of what "bowhunting" really is...and if it does not fall into that standard it is not "bowhunting". That is the best shining example of Elitist attitude this thread has generated. I think that you are a fine example of a traditional bow hunter who has skill and determination andyou probablyget more joy from a well placed shot on a doe than most compound hunters do from killing a 10pt buck. That is a great thing that you are obviously and rightfully so proud of. But to actuallyclaim that a bow is not a bow when it is proven to be so and tohate another archer so muchsimply because he isnot able to stand up to the "Schultzy Standard" then that goeswell beyond pride.

"I see and understand your opinions but yet have I seen you understand mine"
As a longbowman...I have tried to understand them...honestly. But it all boils down to sefishness and distain for anything that does not meet your standard. Rather than helping the sport, you are hurting it. For every 10kids that picks up arecurve we are lucky if 1 keeps shooting it. I am a NASP instructor, and a bowhunter safety instructor. I dont get paid for this, I do it to help keep the sport growing. The main thing is to give these kids a level of success and fun...THEN challenge them with harder equipment and tactics. THAT is how we can grow this sport. It is a diferant breed of kids out there now...There is a reason we use compounds in the NASP program....

Again...no one with a crossbow or a compound is stopping you from hunting your way. You have no right to force your opinion onto other people without having it based in fact, and the "its not a bowor bowhunting to ME!" is not a fact...

Wyvern

Sorry but the bottom line is that you are making all sorts of statements about crossbows but have never hunted with one.
Also, given what some of the crossbow folks have said here, you don't have much of an understanding of the physics of crossbows either in comparison to other bows. On the other hand, I've never hunted with any of those types of bows and don't plan to, but I'm not making value judgements about a crossbow versus a recurve or trying to get the woods all to myself just because i use a particular type of weapon.

And who cares if they are making bows better. The challenge should be in getting into the postion to make a good shot, not playing a game of using the most difficult thing you can find to make the shot.