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Old 04-26-2005 | 12:03 AM
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You want to talk about $hit breaking,,, just work with farm equipment for 31 years, and dump trucks and heavy earth moving equipment for 10 years!!! You'll see stuff break that you can't imagine just how it CAN break!!!! An it will cost YOU to fix it,,, BIG MONEY!!!!! Just be glad,, very glad that our bows have a warranty that will replace the limbs,,, little pieces of fiberglass that are the life blood of our bows and won't cost you thousands$$$ just for one part and weeks to fix it with a BIG labor bill!!!
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Old 04-26-2005 | 05:03 AM
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Oh...and you wanna talk about customer service? Can you ring up your BowTech and ask for the OWNER of the company, to speak with him?
I can and do. I call the President, VP, General manager, Sales Manager, Marketing Director, R&D, Diamond Sales Manager, Water Dog Manager, String Dept. Manager, Production Manager and any of the 6 Sales Reps. at work, on their cell phones, or at their homes.

I HIGHLY doubt it. You can with CP Oneida. Dont believe me? Try it out. Call them up and ask for Claude Pollington, if he's there you will get to speak with him.
With so few bow orders to fill what else does he have to do than answer the phone?


j/k of course... I was just giving you back some of your own sarcasm...[8D]
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Old 04-26-2005 | 06:41 AM
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I have to admit that threads like these have me checking my Patriot with a MUCH closer eye then ever before. A little limb paranoia I guess. Sure does seem like too many to be considered a coincidence to me.


BTW........I have seen a lot of people say that "All bow companies have limbs that crack".......or......."All limbs are made from the same manufacturer"

While I am sure that is true.........not all bow companies do the same things with those limbs once they get them.........all bows are different and stress their individual limbs differently as well.

It is not unreasonable to start to wonder when you see a rash of cracked limbs coming from a company that is constantly pushing the envelope of speed that those two things may be directly related.

Maybe Bowtech's 2004 designs just put too much pressure on the limbs........or maybe it was an assembly issue.........or maybe the more bows you sell the more stuff like this you see.

No matter what the answer is........it sucks for those that have to go through it.
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Old 04-26-2005 | 12:12 PM
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I have to admit that threads like these have me checking my Patriot with a MUCH closer eye then ever before. A little limb paranoia I guess. Sure does seem like too many to be considered a coincidence to me.


BTW........I have seen a lot of people say that "All bow companies have limbs that crack".......or......."All limbs are made from the same manufacturer"

While I am sure that is true.........not all bow companies do the same things with those limbs once they get them.........all bows are different and stress their individual limbs differently as well.

It is not unreasonable to start to wonder when you see a rash of cracked limbs coming from a company that is constantly pushing the envelope of speed that those two things may be directly related.

Maybe Bowtech's 2004 designs just put too much pressure on the limbs........or maybe it was an assembly issue.........or maybe the more bows you sell the more stuff like this you see.

No matter what the answer is........it sucks for those that have to go through it.
I think some of the limb problems in the past were attributed to incorrect pressing or pressing the bow with an outdated press. The limbs are very short and highly stressed and coupled with a press with big rollers that put pressure too close to each other,, something could happen with less that experienced shop personel.
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Old 04-26-2005 | 02:31 PM
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I have to admit that threads like these have me checking my Patriot with a MUCH closer eye then ever before. A little limb paranoia I guess. Sure does seem like too many to be considered a coincidence to me.


BTW........I have seen a lot of people say that "All bow companies have limbs that crack".......or......."All limbs are made from the same manufacturer"

While I am sure that is true.........not all bow companies do the same things with those limbs once they get them.........all bows are different and stress their individual limbs differently as well.

It is not unreasonable to start to wonder when you see a rash of cracked limbs coming from a company that is constantly pushing the envelope of speed that those two things may be directly related.

Maybe Bowtech's 2004 designs just put too much pressure on the limbs........or maybe it was an assembly issue.........or maybe the more bows you sell the more stuff like this you see.

No matter what the answer is........it sucks for those that have to go through it.
I think some of the limb problems in the past were attributed to incorrect pressing or pressing the bow with an outdated press. The limbs are very short and highly stressed and coupled with a press with big rollers that put pressure too close to each other,, something could happen with less that experienced shop personel.

You're right Russ. Some of the presses I've seen in my travels don't even qualify to be called a bow press for some of today's designs and some of the ways I've seen bows pressed sometimes fall short of being technical expertise.

The best presses I've seen to date are your two presses, the Sure Loc X-Press and the Apple Super Pro press with the Hydrualic jack, even though the first three mentioned are definately easiest on the risers and especially the limbs.
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Old 04-26-2005 | 07:43 PM
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Did a search on cracked limb. Only bowtech came up in the results. I believe it was 5 problems. This doesn't include multiple problems with the same bow. Something has to be wrong for there to be so many failures.
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Old 04-26-2005 | 08:13 PM
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ewolf,

You must have missed the posts last year about Mathews having problems with the Outbacks (cam leaning and rubbing on the inside fork of the limbs) along with the problems of different parts put on bows that they shouldn't have been. You must have missed the problems with bent risers on Hoyts that have been improperly pressed, how about the High Country bow blowing up at the ATA show, ect.... How bout my sisters boy-friends and his friends new Mathews Switchback's, cam burrs, cam lean, broken string, serving seperation, and Larry just had to have his bottom cam replaced as it was "warped"!


Yes, it sucks when a limb cracks, I have been there! The fact is that there are alot of problems with alot of bows, but alot of guys don't discuss the lower end bows! If you hear about a problem with a bow, it is always Hoyt, Mathews, or BowTech! I am not sure why this is, possibly because those three bows are are the most "popular" on this board! Also, alot of guys probablly just don't discuss their problems from that back-lash that it causes! I was hesistant to discuss the cracked limb I had, but it was taken care of perfectly by BowTech and everyone was friendly on here!

Sometimes we get too caught up in our bows. They are JUST bows. It seems that too many people are just itching for ways to put down other bow brands for any little issue. Shoot what you want as you are the only one that is shooting it and as long as you are happy with it, it doesn't matter what some guy half-way across the country thinks.

Yes, I had a cracked limb on a BowTech but I will continue to shoot BowTech as there bows fit me. They feel better to ME than any other bows on the market. They have shown me what customer service is all about (getting my limbs taken care of as well as recieving a call to my house from our very own Pat Dinan (BowTech_Shooter) about a string that my former pro-shop owner screwed up).
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Old 04-26-2005 | 08:24 PM
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aaaahhhh, nevermind.
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Old 04-26-2005 | 10:06 PM
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Buck, I did the search and those were the results. As for the thing about Hoyts blowing up when pressed wrong..duh. Sorry if anyone has blown one up on here (I doubt it) but come on, if you don't know what you are doing don't do it. From what I have heard, they had 102 risers that cracked, 98 were pressed wrong. The other 4 were from other causes(Such as driving over them with a car) only one of which was a manufacturing problem. There is an obvious problem with bowtech limbs, too many have broke for it to simply be a fluke.
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Old 04-27-2005 | 02:42 AM
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Personally I wish this post and all others like it would die.
But Ewolf's search findings got my curiosity up since I could name at least 5 site members with limb issues off hand.
With much free time on my hands at work I pulled a search on the words "bowtech limbs" and here's the list of names/bows with limb issues I gathered by reading through all the hits.
In random order-
1. Josh Keller- Liberty (3 set's, possible limb pocket issue)
2. Kraton- 2 sets, Patriot
3. Gibblet- Patriot
4. Mr. Fritz44- Patriot
5. Oniedaeagle- Mighty Might
6. Kjclark7- Pro-38, 2003 model 2 sets (second shipped flawed)
7. Akasharkey- Pat Dually
8. Buck Magnet- Liberty
9. Scottland- Liberty
10. DaveC- Patriot

There may be more, but that's what I found.
Notice that there are no Justices or extreme VFT's on the list????? Hmmm.....

Now my take- 10 bows with issues isn't too shabby considering the amount of Bowtech shooters on this site. I personally feel it was a certain run of Limbs supplied to bowtech that couldn't take the stress of the VFT design. I have a funny feeling the supplier (Gordon) along with bowtech made the needed changes to accommodate the VFT limb angle/ riser stance and added pressures placed on the limbs in this configuration.
I've got my fingers crossed that those with replaced limbs will no longer have to sweat limb issues as the new limbs are of a "new and improved" design.

I'm not trying to bash Bowtech as I don't think it was actually a Bowtech only issue.
I still love my Patriot and plan on shooting it for many years to come.
Just writing down what I found.

Once again I can't stress enough the importance of a tuned and ready back-up bow. No matter what brand you shoot or how much you paid for it, limbs fail- and usually at the most inopportune time.
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