Taking the Bull by the Horns...
#12
Why do some bows have to be advertised more than others? Just a thought
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Not to mention Martins T&A advertisment in every single hunting mag I read. Not that I am knocking the advertisment of Martins.... I rather enjoy the ads
#13
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Alvo Nebraska USA
Mr Bill knows nothing of bulls or bull riding.. The stock at the bull riding events are pampered pretty well, both at the events and at home in the pasture. Some of them are worth more than some big name race cars
#14
yeah, i don't get the bull riding thing mr. bill, bulls are treated pretty dang well. after meeting some rescued greyhounds though, i completely agree with you about that. i don't understand why the dogs have to be treated like that to race. the whole pigs and chickens thing makes me sick also. we raise our own chickens and some people around here raise a few hogs a year and they are all treated very well and have ample room to exercise, play, and forage, which i believe any creature should have.
#15
Well I see this thread got a little off base so let me add my .02 cents just to try to clear the air a bit.
Since I get to travel to several of the PBR events each year I've gotten to know many of the people involved with it whether it be riders, bull fighters, other sponsors, CEO's, CFO's, announcers, truck drivers, and yes, the bull stock contractors just to name a few.
I've come to learn that some (most) of these bulls are treated better than a human being in a lot of cases, heck, some of them have their own nutritionists, chiropractors, message therapists, etc.
I can assure you the bull riders get hurt worse and more often than these bulls do.
I'm all about treating animals fairly and don't you think for a minute that if these bulls weren't getting treated well that the Humane Society or such would step in and do something? I mean they are pretty high profile since they're on T.V. all the time and well, I see it on my local news from time to time where the neighborhood dog gets mistreated and the Humane Society steps in to assist the dog, good for them, I own pets too.
I've got a link and text below that explains how the bulls are treated and such and without trying to ruffle any feathers I'd like to ask MrBill, have you seen how many homeless people there are in the world?, have you tried to help one lately?
http://www.pbrnow.com/about/sportinfo/bulls.cfm
The Welfare and Treatment of PBR’s Animal Athletes
Like humans, they come in an array of shapes, sizes and colors, and, also like humans, display their own personalities and menu of talents that make them unique in the world in which they are known. They are professional bull riding’s animals athletes – the incredible bucking bulls that make the sport of bull riding one of the most physically demanding contests on the planet.
The PBR and its members fully understand the value and importance of the bulls used in each PBR competition. Without these outstanding four-legged superstars, neither the PBR nor the sport of bull riding would exist. With this in mind, PBR members, staff and personnel are fully committed to ensuring the much deserved health, safety and respect of each bull that enters a PBR arena. To mistreat a bull would be a detriment to the sport upon which a bull rider’s own livelihood depends. Therefore, the care and treatment of PBR bulls is a top priority to those who govern and/or participate in PBR events.
Following are some frequently asked questions about the welfare of PBR bucking bulls and the equipment used in professional bull riding.
Q: CAN ANY BULL COMPETE IN A PBR EVENT?
A: Definitely not. Saying that any bull is suitable for PBR competition is like saying that any human athlete is fit to compete in the Olympic Games. PBR bulls are the highest caliber bucking bulls in the business. Many are products of elite breeding programs that for years have been fine-tuning the important role genetics play in producing great bucking bulls. A majority of PBR bulls are bred and born to compete in the PBR arena.
Q: WHAT IS THE AVERAGE PBR BULL WORTH?
A: The monetary value of a bucking bull depends greatly upon his proven performance in the arena, however most PBR bulls are worth $10,000 or more. As a PBR bull develops a proven record in the arena, his value increases. Chad Herrington, the 2000 PBR Stock Contractor of the Year, purchased two proven PBR bucking bulls - Blueberry Wine and Red Wolf - for $50,000 each. Berger Bucking Bulls, which owns Little Yellow Jacket, voted best bull of the 2001 Built Ford Tough Series World Championships, turned down a $100,000 offer for the second-generation bucking bull.
Q: WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN FOR A BUCKING BULL?
A: Bucking bulls often live well into their teens, which is considered geriatric for any bull. Though a bucking bull may often be in his prime as an athlete around age 5 or 6, many bulls buck past the age of 10 and, when retired from competition, are used as sires in bucking bull breeding programs. Red Wolf, long considered one of the best bucking bulls in PBR history, was retired in 2000 at age 13. He now lives on a Texas ranch where he is being used in Herrington Cattle Co.’s breeding program.
Q: WHAT MAKES A BULL BUCK?
A: The success of bucking bull breeding programs across North America has proven that genetics is the most prevalent factor is determining a bull’s desire and ability to buck. For years, finding a good bucking bull among a herd of common sale barn bovines was a frustrating matter of chance for any rodeo stock contractor. Why? Because a bull will only buck if he possesses the innate desire and natural instinct to do so. Today, that instinct is being pinpointed through genetics, and the science of breeding great bucking bulls has made the business of owning bucking bulls one that requires money and patience rather than sheer luck.
Q: WHAT IS A FLANK STRAP?
A: As its name suggests, a flank strap is a strap that goes around the flank of a bull. Its purpose is to enhance the natural bucking motion of a bull and to encourage the animal to extend its hind legs when trying to get his rider on the ground. The flank strap never covers or goes around a bull’s genitals, and no sharp or foreign objects are ever placed inside the flank strap to agitate the animal. Furthermore, a flank strap cannot be too tight around the bull’s flank or the bull will be too uncomfortable to perform. Pulling the flank strap too tight would restrict a bull’s motion, resulting in an inferior performance by the bull and quite possibly a reride for the bull rider. The flank strap is designed for quick release and is removed immediately after the bull exits the arena.
Q: WHAT IS A BULL ROPE?
A: The bull rope is what the bull rider hangs on to throughout the ride. It is wrapped around the chest of the bull directly behind the animal’s front legs. At the bottom of the rope hangs a metal bell designed to give the rope some weight so that it will fall off the bull as soon as the rider is bucked off or dismounts the animal. The bell has smooth, rounded edges and does not harm the bull in any way.
Q: DO THE SPURS WORN BY A BULL RIDER CUT OR SCRATCH A BULL?
A: Bull riders wear spurs that are required to have dull, loosely locked rowels (the ìwheel-likeî part of the spur that comes in contact with the animal). The spurs help a rider maintain his balance by giving him added grip with his feet. The spurs do not cut or scratch a bull’s hide, which is seven times thicker than a human’s skin.
Q: HOW MANY MILES DO BULLS TRAVEL ON THE PBR CIRCUIT?
A: The PBR has an extensive network of stock contractors who are located in all parts of North America. This means that in no matter what city a PBR event takes place, the bulls provided for that event will not be hauled an unreasonable distance to get there. For example, West Coast stock contractors like Don Kish (Red Bluff, Calif.) and Julio Moreno (Marysville, Calif.) are likely to provide bulls for PBR events in California and Oregon while Canadian stock contractors Bruce Sunstrom (Cessford, Alberta) and Harvey Northcott (Caroline, Alberta) are likely to supply bulls at PBR events in Canada. Furthermore, the bulls typically arrive at least 24 hours prior to an event, which helps ensure that the bulls are acclimated, rested, well fed and hydrated prior to competition.
Since I get to travel to several of the PBR events each year I've gotten to know many of the people involved with it whether it be riders, bull fighters, other sponsors, CEO's, CFO's, announcers, truck drivers, and yes, the bull stock contractors just to name a few.
I've come to learn that some (most) of these bulls are treated better than a human being in a lot of cases, heck, some of them have their own nutritionists, chiropractors, message therapists, etc.
I can assure you the bull riders get hurt worse and more often than these bulls do.
I'm all about treating animals fairly and don't you think for a minute that if these bulls weren't getting treated well that the Humane Society or such would step in and do something? I mean they are pretty high profile since they're on T.V. all the time and well, I see it on my local news from time to time where the neighborhood dog gets mistreated and the Humane Society steps in to assist the dog, good for them, I own pets too.
I've got a link and text below that explains how the bulls are treated and such and without trying to ruffle any feathers I'd like to ask MrBill, have you seen how many homeless people there are in the world?, have you tried to help one lately?

http://www.pbrnow.com/about/sportinfo/bulls.cfm
The Welfare and Treatment of PBR’s Animal Athletes
Like humans, they come in an array of shapes, sizes and colors, and, also like humans, display their own personalities and menu of talents that make them unique in the world in which they are known. They are professional bull riding’s animals athletes – the incredible bucking bulls that make the sport of bull riding one of the most physically demanding contests on the planet.
The PBR and its members fully understand the value and importance of the bulls used in each PBR competition. Without these outstanding four-legged superstars, neither the PBR nor the sport of bull riding would exist. With this in mind, PBR members, staff and personnel are fully committed to ensuring the much deserved health, safety and respect of each bull that enters a PBR arena. To mistreat a bull would be a detriment to the sport upon which a bull rider’s own livelihood depends. Therefore, the care and treatment of PBR bulls is a top priority to those who govern and/or participate in PBR events.
Following are some frequently asked questions about the welfare of PBR bucking bulls and the equipment used in professional bull riding.
Q: CAN ANY BULL COMPETE IN A PBR EVENT?
A: Definitely not. Saying that any bull is suitable for PBR competition is like saying that any human athlete is fit to compete in the Olympic Games. PBR bulls are the highest caliber bucking bulls in the business. Many are products of elite breeding programs that for years have been fine-tuning the important role genetics play in producing great bucking bulls. A majority of PBR bulls are bred and born to compete in the PBR arena.
Q: WHAT IS THE AVERAGE PBR BULL WORTH?
A: The monetary value of a bucking bull depends greatly upon his proven performance in the arena, however most PBR bulls are worth $10,000 or more. As a PBR bull develops a proven record in the arena, his value increases. Chad Herrington, the 2000 PBR Stock Contractor of the Year, purchased two proven PBR bucking bulls - Blueberry Wine and Red Wolf - for $50,000 each. Berger Bucking Bulls, which owns Little Yellow Jacket, voted best bull of the 2001 Built Ford Tough Series World Championships, turned down a $100,000 offer for the second-generation bucking bull.
Q: WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN FOR A BUCKING BULL?
A: Bucking bulls often live well into their teens, which is considered geriatric for any bull. Though a bucking bull may often be in his prime as an athlete around age 5 or 6, many bulls buck past the age of 10 and, when retired from competition, are used as sires in bucking bull breeding programs. Red Wolf, long considered one of the best bucking bulls in PBR history, was retired in 2000 at age 13. He now lives on a Texas ranch where he is being used in Herrington Cattle Co.’s breeding program.
Q: WHAT MAKES A BULL BUCK?
A: The success of bucking bull breeding programs across North America has proven that genetics is the most prevalent factor is determining a bull’s desire and ability to buck. For years, finding a good bucking bull among a herd of common sale barn bovines was a frustrating matter of chance for any rodeo stock contractor. Why? Because a bull will only buck if he possesses the innate desire and natural instinct to do so. Today, that instinct is being pinpointed through genetics, and the science of breeding great bucking bulls has made the business of owning bucking bulls one that requires money and patience rather than sheer luck.
Q: WHAT IS A FLANK STRAP?
A: As its name suggests, a flank strap is a strap that goes around the flank of a bull. Its purpose is to enhance the natural bucking motion of a bull and to encourage the animal to extend its hind legs when trying to get his rider on the ground. The flank strap never covers or goes around a bull’s genitals, and no sharp or foreign objects are ever placed inside the flank strap to agitate the animal. Furthermore, a flank strap cannot be too tight around the bull’s flank or the bull will be too uncomfortable to perform. Pulling the flank strap too tight would restrict a bull’s motion, resulting in an inferior performance by the bull and quite possibly a reride for the bull rider. The flank strap is designed for quick release and is removed immediately after the bull exits the arena.
Q: WHAT IS A BULL ROPE?
A: The bull rope is what the bull rider hangs on to throughout the ride. It is wrapped around the chest of the bull directly behind the animal’s front legs. At the bottom of the rope hangs a metal bell designed to give the rope some weight so that it will fall off the bull as soon as the rider is bucked off or dismounts the animal. The bell has smooth, rounded edges and does not harm the bull in any way.
Q: DO THE SPURS WORN BY A BULL RIDER CUT OR SCRATCH A BULL?
A: Bull riders wear spurs that are required to have dull, loosely locked rowels (the ìwheel-likeî part of the spur that comes in contact with the animal). The spurs help a rider maintain his balance by giving him added grip with his feet. The spurs do not cut or scratch a bull’s hide, which is seven times thicker than a human’s skin.
Q: HOW MANY MILES DO BULLS TRAVEL ON THE PBR CIRCUIT?
A: The PBR has an extensive network of stock contractors who are located in all parts of North America. This means that in no matter what city a PBR event takes place, the bulls provided for that event will not be hauled an unreasonable distance to get there. For example, West Coast stock contractors like Don Kish (Red Bluff, Calif.) and Julio Moreno (Marysville, Calif.) are likely to provide bulls for PBR events in California and Oregon while Canadian stock contractors Bruce Sunstrom (Cessford, Alberta) and Harvey Northcott (Caroline, Alberta) are likely to supply bulls at PBR events in Canada. Furthermore, the bulls typically arrive at least 24 hours prior to an event, which helps ensure that the bulls are acclimated, rested, well fed and hydrated prior to competition.
#18
ORIGINAL: MrBill
Yep but i didn't have to ride it to death for money or your entertainment
to put it there.
Bulls are beef and I have some in my freezer How bout you?
to put it there.
Ridden to death??? You can't be serious. I would bet my house that more bulls were killed by lightning last year than ridden to death. You don't like rodeo? Fine. But making accusations like that is WAY out of line and couldn't be further from the truth. Please take the time to read what BowTech Shooter posted and then take up another cause, because neither bullriding nor any other rodeo event needs saving. There are plenty of other legitimate animal treatment problems out there for you to focus on.
I'm not an expert - by any means - but I grew up around livestock and I've worked with the animals at a professional rodeo. They are far from mistreated. Absolutely nothing done to them - before, after, or DURING their event - hurts them.
Your concern for animals is appreciated, but it's just not warranted in this instance.
#19
ORIGINAL: walks with a gimp
I'd like to add also that B.J.Cramps got bucked off BowTech's Verticle Force
B.J. is one of the top 30 riders in the world also
I'd like to add also that B.J.Cramps got bucked off BowTech's Verticle Force
B.J. is one of the top 30 riders in the world also
Russ,
It's Kramps with a K

BowTech sponsored riders Tony Mendes and Brendon Clark had good weekends with Brendon Clark coming in 2nd place after riding 3 time World Champion Little Yellow Jacket for 91 points in the short go. Tony just missed the short go by being in 16th place and only the top 15 qualify for another bull.
The BowTech bulls showed their colors this weekend. Both bulls were out Sat. and Sun. with BowTech's Toy Tiger being ridden for a 92 by PBR Rookie Everret Erickson which was the high point ride of the weekend and 87.5 points by Jody Newberry. BowTech's Vertical Force went unridden this weekend bucking off B.J. Kramps and 2004 Rookie of the year Zack Brown.
The object from the bulls perspective is to throw off every rider but when they don't, the object is to get a high point ride as it shows the bull and rider both performed excellent.
#20
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 2,057
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From: Alvo Nebraska USA
OK,, it's with a K[&:]
I've got the flue so that's prolly where the C came from[:@]
Pat,, I'll just add that I watched the PBR event last weekend and BowTech's logo was all over the tube!! There was a hand that was helping the riders get settled down on the bulls that was wearing a red shirt with BowTech across the back that was VERY noticeable!! If you watched,, BowTech could be seen at just about anytime in the background.
Great advertizement
I've got the flue so that's prolly where the C came from[:@] Pat,, I'll just add that I watched the PBR event last weekend and BowTech's logo was all over the tube!! There was a hand that was helping the riders get settled down on the bulls that was wearing a red shirt with BowTech across the back that was VERY noticeable!! If you watched,, BowTech could be seen at just about anytime in the background.
Great advertizement




