You goober Techy! I meant to say that you lose about 10fps for every inch of draw below the IBO.

LOL. Oops. Miscommunication, I thought you were smoking something[8D]

I have shot my Patriot many times bare bow........including when I tested it for the first time. I don't get the buzz in the grip that I felt in the Allegiance. The only reason I have a stabilizer in my Patriot is for balance. The Allegiance isn't like hitting a ball off the end of a bat on a cold day............but I do feel the shot vibe in the grip. I doubt I would have bought my Patriot if it had the same buzz.....without putting a stabilizer on it to be sure it would disappear first.

I guess a combination of injuries and a lifetime of paying attention to the "feel" of light biting fish perhaps makes me more sensitive to "buzz" than most. Yes I felt the small vibration in the grip of the Allegiance after the shot. Nothing however that can't be tamed.

Interestingly enough, it was worse in the Independence VFT than the Allegiance even with a stabilizer, confirmed by the shop personnel where I was shooting.

Cool.. Plus if I drop to 100 grain I'm looking at another 7ish.. About 15fps an average if I would upgrade.... I guess thats not a huge difference..........??