I have been following this soap opera for a while and have come to a couple of conclusions.

Firstly there is no way any body is going to talk Arthur out of flinging his logs.

Secondly there is no way any body is going to talk Silent out of flinging his light carbons.

I would call this horses for courses and both are right in their own way.
It really boils down to ones personal preference.

I am just glad Arthur dont hunt where I do cause I dont want the tree I am sitting in getting clobbered with one of his Telegraph Pole Arrows <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

All in good natured fun guys
All the best for the season

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> The 2X4 has a lot more energy and momentum to help it overcome wind resistance. Assuming both the board and the pine needle maintained stable, end-on flight, the board would go on a good long way while the pine needle would lose speed very fast and drop to the ground.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Yea but the pine needle has neither. All it has is speed. It has roughly a 1/10000 of the KE of the 2X4 yet it still penetrates into the tree.

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

Aww schucks Ausie.....I am just joking around I really shoot 2613s<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

And I shoot dainty little carbons.... with pink vanes.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Actually, I really have been trying out some of Easton's Carbonaero Epics for the past week and they're the best shooting carbons I've come across to date. The dealer says they weigh about the same as Goldtips, so at my arrow length they should weigh somewhere around 470 grains (unweighted). That's just a shade under 8 grains per pound for my bow. Gotta get to a grain scale and see for sure.

I might even go light <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> and hunt with 'em this season, fronted by a Bear Razorhead Lite or a Steelforce or a 100 gn Magnus.

Try the Magnus 100 for yourself Arthur, but to tell you the truth, they didn't fly well for me with the carbons. They are vented, so they made an undesirable noise in flight for me also. That was my experience with them and carbons anyway.

I think I have a few left, so email me if want a couple to try.

Edited by - BobCo19-65 on 08/23/2002 10:30:56

The problem with the pine needle example is nobody has the video to prove how many of the little guys bounced off the pole before one got stuck right in there. Kind of the way I feel about carbons.

Been gone for a while and am delighted to see that whether pine needles or 2x4s, there is so much interest in wooden arrows.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Been gone for a while and am delighted to see that whether pine needles or 2x4s, there is so much interest in wooden arrows.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

ROTFLMAO!! Good'un, Ossage. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

BobCo, I think that poor arrow flight with the Magnus 100's goes back to the inconsistencies that come with carbon arrows at the length arrows we use. I haven't had ANY broadheads consistently fly well and shoot straight with carbons yet. I am anxious to try these Epics with broadheads to see how they do.

By the way, the grain scale puts the Epics at 470 grains on the nose, 32 1/2&quot; with 125 grain field points.

Edited by - Arthur P on 08/23/2002 11:59:49

Arthur, my carbons were 3-d select 400's, also 32.5&quot;. Total arrow weight was about 400 grains with the head. It's kinda funny through, I tuned my bow to just about every broadhead in my arsenal, and about the only one that shot decent for me was a 75 grain Muzzy. Now this goes against (from what I am told) the theory of having a slightly higher FOC for carbons using fixed blades. Go figure.

I have always said that someday I'd like to try out the Carbon Tech rhino, and have tried to get some feedback on them. But nobody seems to use them yet. They are up to 11.8 grains per inch.

http://www.carbontecharrows.com/Hunt...tingIndex.html


Edited by - BobCo19-65 on 08/23/2002 12:27:23

I never got up into the high dollar carbons, so I'll defer to your experience there. With Goltips, Beman ICSH and PSE Dominators, I tried everything from 85 grains up to 145 grains and didn't see any improvement with any of them. They all shot pretty much the same, but 4&quot; groups at 20 yards just isn't acceptable, for me anyway, when standing on the practice range.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>The problem with the pine needle example is nobody has the video to prove how many of the little guys bounced off the pole before one got stuck right in there. Kind of the way I feel about carbons.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

The problem with this example as I see it, is the extreme between the two. Super lightweight items do not react to force the same way. Drop a bowling ball and a golf ball from a ten story building and they both hit the ground at the same time. Now drop a ping pong ball and see how much slower it goes. Also, the blunt tip of a 2x4 compared to the pointed tip of a pine needle are difficult to compare.

A 400 grain arrow and a 600 grain arrow are not that much different. One is 50% heavier, not 50,000% heavier. In my opinion, this example doesn't demonstrate anything other than both are capable of being stuck into a telephone pole when propelled by a tornado. Now, if you could take a closer look, I'll bet the bigger the pine needle, the better the chance of it sticking in the pole.