Just spent several minutes talking with a tech guy at Fletcher. I wanted to know if there was anyway they could set up the JD closed jaw release head on the Scott molded grip. They said no

However, they said they have made custom concho's for several "top" bowhunters who like me prefer to have the release attached to the string and not my hand/wrist.

He said they provide very good pulling power, but I have no experience with them at all. Anyone? Any and all input is much appreciated...

If they match the easy pulling ability of the scott molded hand grip or winn glove, I think I'm there...

How's the purchase of that scale coming along? [8D]

Bows are meant to be drawn primarily with the back muscles (and shot that way too!) The concho and rubber grip styles create a high amount of tension in the wrist, arm, and drawing shoulder which IME promotes injury and bad shooting habits. You can never relax fully and let the shot happen.

I'm with Todd...go buy a bow-scale!

Damn... Tough room...

Jeff, when you shoot the Winn, do you relax your hand and hold full draw with your back?

So, in case I didn't care about all that, how do they draw?

I've never been able to draw with a concho without torquing the string.

Know what you mean about wrist straps. They are not real high on my list either. I much prefer a T-handle. It keeps my hand and wrist inline with my forearm and makes for a straightline draw. And I can just let it dangle from the string when I need to use my hand.

As much as possible, yes.

Well I can't really answer that, as all the things I mentioned have to do with the feel of the draw..they are uncomfortable for me to draw as you have to really grab ahold of the grip/concho, require more effort from the arm & wrist, and you have to be conscious about not letting the whole damn thing go at full draw (note I'm not talking about the winn, as it's connected to your wrist).

I'm sure some folks live and breathe by them (and that's great!), but there's a reason almost nobody makes those styles anymore.

Well, if I'm gonna have something strapped onto my hand, it might as well be a Winn glove. I wish someone around here had a Winn I could try, to get this entire concept out of my system.

I know you hate the trigger, but I'm a hunter only, no target archery, I may be able to stand it ok. Just wish I could find one to try.

I need to rent one for a few days. My gut's saying I'll like it a bunch, my wallet says I'm to cheap to buy before I try. Only problem is, no way to do that around here...