It's not a ton of recoil to begin with, just enough to know it's there. Nothing unmanageable or unshootable, I'm just curious to see if I can get my bow to exhibit the "just sit's in your hand after the shot" feeling of the new VFT/parabolic breeds...

They shoot real nice. If I can match this one quality, I can save me-self some jack...

This is where it screws me up , I thought it was 350 grains .

I agree with that Arthur. It is full of contradictions.

"We test at IBO specs but will only warranty to 6 grains per pound of draw weight (even though that really is not the AMO minimum recommended arrow weight for a 70# 30" bow)"

Bluuucckkkkhhhh![:-]

I am with Rangeball on the differences in arrow weight comparisons though. I was shooting 5 or 6 different arrows that ranged in weight from 365 grains up to close to 600 grains and the difference in felt recoil and vibration was hardly, if at all, noticeable. I would attribute this probably to the Sims and factory installed gear on the bow.

Speaking of contradictions , mathews list's a speed for 5 grains per pound , and then turns around and says , we will not warranty a bow shot at less than 6 grains per pound .

Everything I have ever read from Mathews says the warranty covers 5 grains per pound and up !

Also ........I'm a reformed speed freak and at least in my case have to agree with Aurthur P ! Going from shooting 350 grain arrows to 450 grain arrows has made my bow definately quieter and more pleasant to shoot !

I have been even more suprised at the lack of trajectory difference between shooting 300 fps and 280 fps ! I really haven't seen any major difference.........and have been left wondering why I strove so hard to shoot super lightweight arrows......low brace heights and fast bows !! Guess I'm a victim of marketing !

I think alot of people would be if they took the time to look at the trajectory for any given arrow. I remember reading some time ago that there was a somewhat significant difference between 220 and 280 but once you get over that then the next "significant change" was not until around 330 fps. Maybe Arthur or one of you guys has the stats to back up or refute this but it sounded reasonable based on the facts at the time.

Finding a "middle ground" is what I have always suggested. Getting a reasonably flat trajectory coupled with good KE/momentum figures out of a quiet and accurate bow is something we should all try to achieve.

I don't have the actual data, but that sounds about right, Frank. I know when I went from my ProHunter at 190 fps to my ProVantage at 225 fps, there was a significant trajectory advantage. Then there were no new compounds for 12 years while I was in total traditional mode. When I got that MagnaTec, the speed was up in the 290's and I was wondering what happened to the concept of trajectory.

ijimmy, the 350 grain number is IBO, assuming a 70# bow (5 grains per pound of DW).

Frank, if we're talking hunting distances of up to 35 yards or so, I agree completely.

Some time ago I ran a bunch of different weighted "arrows" through a trajectory program I have, from 270 on up to the low 300's, the difference in point of impact is minimal, an inch or so at best. It's one of the ways I'm able to shoot 64#s at 280 without thinking I'm missing the boat

It definitely was an eye opener.

For guys shooting longer ranges, say out west, if I was one of them, I'd have a lazer range finder and a moveable one pin set up, so the difference to me would again be moot

See, this is one of those times when I think I would be better off shooting a 60 lb peak weight bow with a lighter arrow for 3D. Less fatigue, a high speed level and KE/momentum numbers really do not play a part unless you like watching the Mckenzie targets rock back and forth after the shot...

Maybe next year I will invest in a "3D bow" with different specs.

Frank, I know this is blasphemy, but you really don't need a new bow to try this out

Just back one of your's down and shoot a lighter arrow at the targets

One of the new bows I am considering is a 70# Patriot SC set at 60#. I calculate it should fling my 375 grain ACC about 290ish at my draw length.

Wow...

However, I'll be plenty happy with my Hornet at 64# with the same arrow doing 280 if I can get that just sit's there feeling. Time will tell.