RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

I've said the dog chasers can do their thing and I don't care as long as it doesn't interfere with my hunting or in another's season. Such as the fox chasing loophole. The very nature of dog hunting requires decent tracts of land and there is always a better than 50% chance the dogs are going to get by or out of the hunt and onto anothers land. Then the right to tresspass come up as a last point. I'm willing to compromise but the doggers say no to any and all options.

The big question is do you feel others have a right to have any impact on another's lands? Shouldn't a person have a right to peace and privacy on their own lands? The tradition crowd says no. There is going to be change and it's not if but when and how much. Sitting down and making a middle ground seems a logical move but it's not in the doggers plan. One side has tadition the other has property rights. If it ever gets to a court battle the rights will win over tradition. And if it doesn't get worked out it will go there one day. It has in other states and they had their tradition in place too. It's gone for some. Is the VHDA willing to gamble on that? I think they will. I've got nothing to lose and all to gain. Any method of control or change will be better then what we have now, which is absolutely zero.

The other side has already shown an unwillingness to any change by the continued Sunday issue. They aren't willing to give one bit. But everyone else is supposed to? They do something but if anyone else suggests a change they're anti's or dividing the ranks. They want it both ways. Remember not everyone gets everything they want. They've gone untethered for too long and it's time to pay for their actions. We'll see what shows up in 2009. I've waited this long a few more months is nothing.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

well I can see this is going nowhere with some of you guys, Im glad the still hunters around here arnt anything like some of you guys. For the dogers who do it legal that hunt around some of these guys, dont let em get away with killing your dogs....Payemback!

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

Bigg~Bird,

I am sure that you have read my entire posts and you know that I am all for some changes to be made. perfect point was my last point when I was talking about the right to retreive law... I am not sure if it came across like I wanted but I was showing that it is a law that needs to be re-done, I have no problems with giving on that, in fact as a legal houndsman I don think it is giving, I think and have thought for awhile, prior to this debate coming up in our state, that it was not a good law and is a excellent loop hole for those who abuse laws.

I also feel that there needs to be a defined chase season for deer hounds and that yes the fox open chase season needs to be adjusted so as not to be intrusive on those of US that spend alot of time bowhunting and bp hunting and preparing for it on ly to be interrupted by someone abusing that law... maybe something like it will be legal to chase fox from 9:00 pm Saturday evening until 11:00 pm Sunday, that way the dogs are caught up prior to monday and if they are not then a fine is asigned for each dog out?

Just some thoughts, and no not all houndsmen are against compromise.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

I can agree with a chase season. I also feel the real fox hunters don't need to be caught up in something they are not a part of either. It's a delicate balance controlling the ones causing issues without hurting the good guys. I'm also wonder exactly how many god guys there really are. I've been in a number of clubs and all but one have chased out of season and ran on other's lands if they got the chance. My personal observance is about 80% bad and 20% good. No they didn't all do something every day but over the course of a year they all but one did something multiple times with out of season chasing the most common offense. Then you throw in the adjoining clubs adding their random days of chasing illegally in there and it makes for some dog chase action for almost every Sat. Another reason for Sunday hunting. Maybe you might get a day without dogs for bow and spring gobbler. If they have to work Monday they won't drop to chase on a Sunday and that might be a more dog free day than Saturday. But before any issues can be solved you need a group that's willing to compromise. Right now the dog chasers can't even agree on the shape of the table to start talks.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

I think the axis of the earth just shifted Birdd... we both are on the same page lol

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

Yeah... there is an educated response....:eek:

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

why thank you.;) But shooting a deer dog is????? Thats backasward..... (SORRY NOT EDUCATED):D

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

By the way, anyone who is interested in going in to rent a small 600 acre farm for deer(still only) 27 acre pond on it swamp land and open overgrown pasture p.m. me. bryant1 thanks for that info you sent me. The farm is in prince george and I have taken a few wall hangers out there the last 2 years.plenty of geese also but the land owner will only let you hunt em a couple of times.(He thinks hunting on the pond is a joke since they live there)... and there are dogs that come across this farm every once in awhile so NO DOG MURDERES!:)

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

You may want tomention it toor pmvirginiashadow(Brett) he recently posted a thread about finding a lease, Im' not sure how close that is for him, I believe he hails from the Manassas area.

Nate

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

Your welcome, feel free to let other doghunters know about it. Doghunters will always help out other doghunters:D.

I stillhunt during bow season, which coincides with dog training season and i thoroughly enjoy hearing a good pack of hounds running in the woods- i guess some of you guys think differently!! Most places where deer are run on a regular basis the deer don't pay them any attention- i have hadbucks and does not even pick their heads up when a pack came within 150 yds of my stand. Most deer around here are dogsmart- they know they are not the ones being ran, so they go abouttheir business.