RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

I've heard over and over from dog hunters that their form of the sport adds to the local and state economy sooooo muucchh that it just couldn't be eliminated. Well, well. Just read Pokieman's reply and you'll see where the state and county government's will now have to spend money on more animal control officers to police the dog crowd!!! It's gonna be cheaper to do away with dog hunting in the end, just a matter of time. Timber companies know it, state legislatures know it, and all taxpayers will soon know it! Hurrah. Gone real soon.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

Too bad it's not correct or accurate in regards to the situation being discussed here. Can dogs be trapped during deer or fox season if they cross onto another's lands? No. Called the AC officer for Sussex and he said it's a VDGIF issue and there is no local provisions in the county to trap hunting dogs or control hunting dogs as long as they're in compliance with the state laws on dog hunting. That's the law that says the chase can continue onto prohibited lands and so on. We all haven't forgot that law have we? How can if be illegal to chase on prohibited lands if the state says so? It can't. Counties can't over rule state laws. Until the state chase law changes it's business as usual. A hunting dog legally chasing during a legal season within the letter of the law on another's land is not considered a nuisance dog. He's hunting, it's the same law that allows dogs to run all over during deer season without consequence. Hokieman can't get that fact etched in his little mind. And that AC office I talked to, well turns out he's a deer dog hunter. SWo it's coming from one of your own who knows the laws. Not someone pasting and quoting usless drivel.

The whole chasing deer and stating they're chasing foxes which are legal is what 90% of the out of season running complaints are about. Trying to say a solution suddenly exists is pure BS. Move on people it's not illegal and no AC is going to come trap dogs chasing white tailed foxes.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

Where is a link to Commonwealth Sportsmens Alliance PAC or the results for them in the link you provided. Seems the VHDA is just the front for them, posing as concerned dog hunters. It looks like they're just trying to get funds via a back door stirring up of sportaman. Their real agenda is to change the VDGIF board to ensure the "tradition" of dog chasing.

Just noticed something. Look at the bottom of every VHDA page. Says paid for by Commonwealth Sportsmens Alliance PAC how about that? Solicitation of funds under the guise of protecting all hunters but any donations are going to a different group bent on their own agenda. Same bunch wanting to change the VDGIF board.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

I guess you missed this link.

http://vahda.org/about.htm

The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance is a Committee of autonomous organizations and individuals working in conjunction with the Commonwealth Sportsmen’s Alliance, Inc. a Virginia Political Action Committee registered with the Virginia State Board of Elections. All expenditures and receipts of the organization are reported in accordance with the Code of Virginia (Law). Financial reports are made quarterly and may be viewed at the State Board of Elections web site.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

Why dont you 2 kiss and make up? I have never seen 2 hunters bicker back and forth like u2 have. lol Just kidding I enjoy both of your points of views, on most subjects.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

One of us might need to bring a shovel to the meeting.

HM I didn't miss the part. Another half truth for you. The vice chair of VHDA is the director of the sportsman group. Also if VHDA is taking funds in don't they need a license of some sorts to manage funds in a political org? This is almost a laundering of funds of sorts. VHDA doesn't come up as a corporation at the VA SCC site. Nor does VHDA show up on the SCC as a subsidy or affiliated with CSA. So to me it seems they came up with the "different" way to get funds into a political PAC without saying exactly where they're going. I'll know more after a few phone calls tomorrow. I like the not tax deductible part too.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

Gee I think I know their agenda. They are aligned with Falwell's Moral Majority.

This is off their website.



The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance has adopted a position opposing hunting on Sunday Hunting for many reasons. It is first and foremost an expression of the vast majority of our
membership, even though all may not subscribe to all of the stated reasons in this paper.

1. The first and foremost reason is our faith. The Fourth Commandment is
reason enough to oppose hunting on Sunday. "Remember the Sabbath day
by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the
seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God.1 We also recognize that
the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

2. We believe that all can use a day of rest. It is a time to recover and reflect.
You may look for lost dogs or game animals, declared by the law to be
hunting, but the retrieval of lost sheep is consistent with the gospel. We
believe that the hunted also benefit from the day of rest.

3. We believe landowners want a day to rest. To enjoy the quiet of their
property, absent their guests of the rest of the week, no matter how welcome
they may be at other times. Sunday is a day of reflection.

4. We believe that even the most supportive families would benefit from this
positive statement of family values.

5. Other outdoor users appreciate a day to themselves. Without this day, they
may turn against the selfish hunters who demand hunting on Sunday and place
all hunting at risk. Remember all hunting is not done on large private tracts.

6. Virginia has the most generous limits on deer kill of any state in the nation.
No hunter, no matter how they plead otherwise, is so deprived as not to be
able to find an opportunity to hunt during the long seasons. We acknowledge
that some of our number have a limited number of vacation days, but believe
that resulting public opinion would inescapably be negative, and give antihunters
a big hammer to bludgeon us with.

7. Modern wildlife management bases its hunting seasons on range carrying
capacities, species reproductive rates and mortality rates. One significant
factor in determining any hunting season is the number of animals harvested
by hunters. The number of animals harvested by hunters is determined by
man-days a field times the success rate. Most studies have shown that
typically 40% of total man-hours of hunting occur on Saturday. The addition
of Sunday would be certain to require the eventual adjustment of the seasons
for most if not all species that are hunted. This would result in the eventual
shortening of the hunting season.

The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance acknowledges that hunters are coming to Virginia
from other areas having Sunday hunting. Many areas allow other practices that have also
long been against the law in Virginia such as hunting over bait and hunting big game
animals in small enclosures. We see no reason to support hunting on Sunday in the
Commonwealth of Virginia at this time.
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

#1...What if i go to church on Saturday night , can`t i hunt on Sunday?....Can`t i hunt after church on Sunday?...Would God forgive me if i have to work on Sunday to pay the bills?...or should i quit my job just so i can attend church services on Sunday?
#2..."We belive that all can use a day of rest...It is a time to recover and reflect....You may look for lost dogs or game animals".....Isn`t looking for lost dogs not taking a day of rest and laboring and in #1 you say you should only lobor for six days and rest on Sunday...
#3...We belive landowners want a day of rest....Says WHO?.......NOT ME......I WANT TO HUNT ON SUNDAYS............
#4...Hunting with my family on Sunday would support positive family values.
#5...As you said in #1 Sunday is a day of rest why would there be other people out in the woods doing anything as they should be in church or at home resting and reflecting.....and some still could hunt on their land......
#6.. Maryland has a MUCH MORE generous bag limit then VA ......

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

And their true colors continue to show through. I would imagine there are many members of VHDA that wish they had never joined. Even if I was FOR no change to current deer hound regulations I would not want to be a part of VHDA. Their propaganda and hidden agenda only further supports the ill view many have of Deer Hound Chaser.

RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
 

All this is on the website for everyone to see if they visit and read it.

http://vahda.org/faqs.htm

Why do we need another organization?

The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance (VHDA) was formed as an umbrella organization, part of the Commonwealth Sportsmen’s Alliance PAC, to give Virginia Sportsmen a political voice within the law. Many groups came together because many of the"old line established or nationally affiliated organizations" simply were more interested in going along to get along. They did not criticize the DGIF Board or staff when it was needed! Now the DGIF Board has undertaken a dangerous course the Hound Study that they say"Will determine the future of hunting in Virginia"! Virginia’s Sportsmen need a strong voice to tell the bureaucrats and politicians not to tread on our rights! They want their Sportsmen’s organization to be bold defenders of their Heritage not elitists that ignore the hunting traditions that are as old as Virginia herself!


You have been to the website. I encourage you to look it over more closely.