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Ok folks how in the heck can I get a deer when some one drops off 5 dogs on the road near the area I was on? The dogs come on the property run the doe I had noted crossing the same road at 5:30 AM going in to the beding area. I know that deer are around for I see the signs but I am unable to pattern any thing with the free leash team running the dogs on other properties than they have leased. I spend $22 in gas driving down from MD to VA since I really like the area. But I just can not fight this on top of this the owner told me to shoot them if I wanted. Now that is something that I'll pass on since I love dogs. But I respect others wishes to run dogs during gun season but enough is enough. All this is going to do is piss more off and it will be an end to your desires.

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Doesn't Virginia have rules regarding the running of dogs? Are these guys violating those rules? Do you have the game warden's phone number? You don't have to shoot a dog who's owner is packing it back into the truck to leave because a game warden just wrote him a fat ticket. ;)

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Dont shoot their dogs, its not the dogs fault.

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It's the same old thing David. Just find another place to hunt or hunt when you know that the dogs are not there. I don't even waste my time anymore with argueing or calling the authorities. Nothing changes with these dog hunters. The dogs can't read signs, the dogs don't know when they are going on someone elses land, the dogs will push deer to you also, ect, ect, ect. They will never change and that is why there won't be any legal dog hunting in VA in another 5 years. I'll get in trouble on this subject on this forum from the dog guys, but the fact is that they can't, or won't, control thier dogs and they ruin other hunters time in the woods. It's only a matter of time.

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I agree w/ VA Mike, the GW wont be able to do anything. They'll be back running dogs next Sat. Def. don't shoot the dogs, it's not their fault!

Problems like this arise b/c the large tracts of land that were deer hunted w/ dogs 2+ generations back are no longer large tracts of land. Many city folk have moved to the country anda lot of these large tracts have been split up and sold off... My advice is grin & bear w/ it. It's bittersweet, no doubt, I'd wait for those dogs to run a deer by you or unfortunately find another place to hunt.

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I cannot stand it when idiots let their dogs run on land that is not theirs. It is just unbelievable. My older brother used to have 50 acres in Spotsylvania County and once gun season started, dogs would be running all over the place. The deer would be tearing by at warp speed. I had a nice doe coming in one day and then 2 dogs came by at full speed, pushing her out of my range. I've also had running dogs come and pee on the tree I am sitting in...LOL. But for real, that stuff annoys the hell out of me...not the dogs fault and I would NEVER shoot a dog unless it were attacking me. But the audacity of people to put collars on dogs, then drive around tracking them on other peoples property--good god.

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I know what you are saying... Believe me... I tried to argue and fight with the dog runners, and ended up like: I learned my lesson the hard way. The dog runners are like 3000+ strong compared to just 1 (me).

Sooooo, I learned to just go hunting where they don't go. I head way out to the George Washington Natl Forest over the other side of the Blue Ridge. No dogs... Just peace and quiet... They can run dogs all they want east of the Blue Ridge and I'll go hunt west of the Blue Ridge, and we all will get along.

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I grew up on a small farm in Minnesota so you could only hunt dogs on birds and rabbits. During deer season it was still legal to use them but I never had the problem with that since every one stayed where they had permisson to hunt on. No one crossed over and that is what has me PO I feel that the person who was using the dogs this weekend could care less about any one else. I live up in Montgomery County Maryland and hate seeing all the land being chewed up intohousing areas. I see it this way if you plan your hunt and stick too it the dogs would not be any issue at all.

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I have the same problem with one of my areas, but they can't shoot onto it. The area above me has my hunting property on one side and other private land on the other side of the road. They can't shoot from the road onto any property and they know this, but they still drop their dogs off on the other side of the leased land so they can run toward this road. I caught one shooting and let him know next time he'll be prosecuted. They solved that problem by trying to release the dogs ONTO the property I hunt so they can push deer out to where they CAN shoot. Caught them doing that this weekend. They've even run off the two small does I've been trying to get.

It's a never ending battle, if you stop them from doing one thing they're going to do another.

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this is why there is a big push by people in va. now to stop the running of deer with dogs. i think there is enough money behind this fight that they just may put a stop to it in next few years. i would like to see them stop running bear with dogs ,the bear has no chance sooner or later he's going up a tree and then he's dead.

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I've been watching a doe and her two small fawns since they were born last spring, they had became part of my hunting area, and I refused to shoot them. This past saturday dogs made their way in and I think they ran the deer out and they got shot. I saw 14 doe last wednesday, and I think this past saturday the people that turned the dogs loose ran out and probably killed a good part of them. good riddance to dogs chasing deer in va. hope the dgif does something about it

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There are tons of dog clubs in VA. It might eventually get regulated but don't count on it going anywhere. Think of all the deer those clubs kill, and it is very necessary. If they banned dog hunting who would pick up the slack in the deer harvest department, still hunters? Yeah right. Maybe Sunday hunting could help in that respect....hmmmm.

I thought I had read that someother states that allow dog hunting have gone to regs that require clubs to have large chunks of land, like 1000 acres or more, and for areas smaller only a certain number/kind of dogs can be run.

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Pearl Jam, same kind of thing here. I've watched a big doe and smaller doeand twoyearlings on a regular basis. I think they actually shot one or both of the does sometime in the past week or so because last night I walked out to check the area and only saw the two yearlings. These guys shoot whatever runs out, then worry about who has a tag for it. If no one has a tag, they'll take what the meat theywant and leave the carcass lying. Our area is pretty much DNR free, which doesn't help. In two and half years the police have only ridden as far as our house twice, and one of those times was because I called them.

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As a dog hunter I'm sorry all of you have to deal with whatever you have to deal with. The road goes both ways sorry ass huters are of all types.

Good luck with DGIF, we're on to their bs scheme, word is out and all the clubs are rallying.It is a tradition here as are the bear dogs, coon dogs, etc.

As an aside, as property size shrinks dog hunters are feeling it also. Some of my buddies are purchasing bird dogs to hut our smaller parcels with (convenience to us now) but with the thought that they may end up being the trend in the future.

That said Itrulywish all of you didn't have to deal with the types of people you are describing it gives all of us a bad name.Good luck with your hunting, I'm heading out in themorning.

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I live in and hunt in north Florida where we have 30 and up to 90 thousand acre tracts of land to hunt. We are without a doubt very lucky to have such large tracts of land down here. But everybody that hunts with dogs should be held accountable for their actions. I am a still hunter and a dog hunter. I don't agree with the *******s that try and create problems on either side of the table. In Taylor county there are plenty of GFC officers out that will bust your tell if you let your dogs get on property that they are not supposed to be on. Please don't let the bad ones give you guys the opinion that we are all like the trouble makers because that is not the case at all.

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A lot of guys here recommend finding another place to hunt where the dogs aren't. Nice idea, but not feasible. Maybe we should consider the opposite - maybe dog hunters should find some place where the dogs won't run onto other people's property. Obviously that's not feasible either.I think the big issue is a lack of consideration-- or a sense ofentitlement and arrogance. Dogs can't read,but their owners/handlers can. I'm fairly tolerant when a dog handler is apologetic when caught tresspassing, but I don't have a lot of patience when they come busting through the brush acting like they have a right to ingore my posted/no trespassing signs and basically tell me to "get stuffed." Dog hunters haven't been able or willing to police theirown, and as a result, DGIF is stepping in to fill the void. As a land owner of over 100 acres, I've been invited byVDGIF to participate in the deer/dog hunting survey and study.

This land has been in my family for about 100 years -- so going somewhere else isn't an option. Now, the guys who have been running dogs across my land for 20 years - with me complaining about it - probably consider it a tradition. I guess it depends on your definition.

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Yes they will write you a ticket in a heartbeat, a 500 dollar ticket! I am a die-hard doghunter in Taylor County Floridatoo and we never have problems like these because we dont hunt small acreage as stated above. You have to have 1,000 continous acres to run dogs legally inFlorida and i am sure some regulation will bebrought to Virginia.

On behalf of deerdog hunters, i wanttoapologize for fellow doghunters whoruin your hunting and not all doghunting is conducted in this manner. I cannot remember the last time our dogswere off the hunting club property in many years, and because of disrespectful doghunters like this all doghunters will pay for it.

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Folks I do not have a problem with dogs being used on deer. Even on small properties I think it could be done with good hunters and a smaller amount of dogs being used. I will continue using the property I have access too only due to I happen to like what I see. I'll just take a digital camera out with me and if I see any thing I will take photos of the dogs, truck tags and the the hunters.

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Thankfully we do not have these problems in Kentucky

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Well I'm moving to KY!:D No, I hope the VDGIF can do something to make hunting in VA enjoyable for everyone. Dog hunting is a way of life for some people as is stand or still hunting. There has to be room for everybody. By the way I'm a still/stand hunting person who has felt the frustrating days of hounds running through my set up where they are not allowed to be. Those same people would be upset if they found me in a tree on their property right?

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Yeah, definitely don't shoot the dogs. I still hunt and dog huntand when the guys next to us say something about the dogs on their property we put 'em out in a diff. place. Just ask. Once we had dogs running a deer near some rabbit hunters a grandpa and grandson. The g-pa shot our dog because "It was messing them up."Nice example gramps. I hate people like that.[:@][:@][:@]

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If anyone knows of an organization that is trying to stop deer/dog hunting in va. , please post their address. I know a few people who would love to donate money to help in the fight! As long as it is not PETA, they can have all my money!!! :):):D;)

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this is one of the main reasons why hunters are losing the battle. just because you don't hunt the way someone else does, doesn't give you the right to bash them and ASSIST in trying to get that type/style of hunting illegalized. if their hunting practice is legal, then leave them alone and don't bad mouth ALL the hunters who participate in that type/style of hunting. i know far more still hunters who participate in illegal activities while hunting than dog hunters...but you don't see me trying to donate money to get still hunting done away with.

i no longer dog hunt but i grew up dog hunting, i dog hunted for about 20 years. i was pretty much forced to give it up because of people with the same mind set as you. they would take the collars off the dogs so if any one caught them they could not be returned to their owner, pick them up and haul them to another county or just shoot them. this took place on public land that was approximately 350,000 acres...so land size was not the issue.

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I don't know what all the smileys are about because there is nothing funny about your post. This is a hunting site and a SOUTH hunting forum and while I know dog hunting has its issues it is something many of us love and practice respectfully and legally.In the SOUTHin a lot of places we rundogs and to come on here and say you would donate money to ban somethingmany of us love and enjoy is questionable at best. If you don't like it fine, if you are having problems in your area call the game warden or the law. But you can take all of your other anti dog / ban dog hunting talk, you can write on a piece of poster board, crumble it up with your moneyand shove it allup your.....well you know the rest.:):):D;)

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By the way.....

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

and......

RELEASE THE HOUNDS!! (my favorite dog hunting catch phrase)

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I'm new to this site but I have seen this same discussion on many other hunting sites and both sides appear to be deaf to what the other side is saying. I am a dog hunter but in recent years have gotten more into bowhunting. It's not that I don't enjoy dog hunting anymore but for me the bow hunting bug has just taken over.

I know there are some issues with dog hunting and trespassing and I do believe the VDGIF will help with this. I know some folks in the Game Dept and I did my internship there while I was in college. Whatever they decide won't appease everyone (impossible) but I guarantee things will improve.

Not trying to jack this thread but as an FYI to everyone, I have posted a survey in many of the forums here (including this one) that has questions regarding this issue as well as some others for our state. Please take the time to participate in my survey and this may help in voicing your opinions as I will present my data to the VDGIF after 30 days.

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AMEN!!!!! I love my hound hunting, i would much rather give up still hunting anyday over my deer dog hunting and my dogs.

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Dogs:DThis is funny I've passed up 20 like this baby and they had to have dogs to kill that!


No Dogs:DJust few pic from the past few years













If you dog guys want to call that baby a deer, did you have to take Pampers off of him before you field dressed him. So keep chasing them babys keeps you out of the real woods andleaves the real deer for the true hunters. Oh and while your riding around chasing your dogs drinking your beer try to remember what blaze orange look like.
Last year my son and I were almost shot by a dog hunter. We had just gotten off the 4 wheeler started walking into the wood when I heard some dogs coming next I turned around saw a doe jump acrossed the road heard a gun shot and the doe fell to the ground 15 feet behind me guy never saw me standing there in blaze orange he shot right at my son lucky he had gotton down the hill further then I was before the shot was fired. After cussin the drunk basterd out I got on my four wheeler and went home. No since in calling the GW I scared him so bad when I yelled at him after he shot that I think he crapped his pants. He and his buddys made tracks because theres no dog huntingallowed in our county but they do it anyway.

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Just a little insight. That buck was his first ever.It was his second season and hehad killed a doe but never a buck so actually he was pretty thrilled with it. We don't need the dogs to kill the deer rather we like to use the dogs. After almost 3 months of still hunting in NC and VA bow and blackpowder a dog hunt can be an exciting change of pace.

As for your other ignorant comments, many of us hunt with dogs and don't drink beer or shoot at you and your son or any of the other things you mentioned but by all means lump us all together and makemore ignorantcomments about the deer people kill because you are obviously a master hunter, I'm sure you fish too so I would guess you are probably a master baiter as well;). You would think you would beposting pics of monster deer with all the crap you just talked but the pics prove otherwise, some decent VA bucks for sure but don't kid yourself. Real woods....real deer.....true hunter....whatever , you sound like just another blowhard to me.

Good luck with all of your "trophy conquests" (seriously)and maybe one of the dozens of small bucks you let go will venture past a new hunter and become a trophy to them (even though I'm sure you will be full of smug disapproval).

For the record I don't care whata personhunts or chooses to kill as long as they are respectful of others and follow the game laws, that is what I do and what Iteach my kids and other new hunters to do,it's a pity others have so much trouble with that and feel their way is the only way and anyone else is somehow less of a hunter than they are. You know what I mean blueheeler101?

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Maybe, had you been a little more diplomatic about your release the hounds statement. If it had not been for that I might not have even joined this thread. I don’t know what the answer is but you can’t began to comprehend how aggrieving it is to plan a day’s hunt on a stand that you have been watching a nice buck only to have it ruined by someones dog hunting. For instances I’ve been sitting on my stand on private property since 5 am does bedded all around me right in the middle of the rut 8 am somebody two farms over turns there dogs lose 8:15 am 7 deer go blasting by me with 5 dogs behind them. So then the only thing for me to do is go home. Now my question to you D head is first I’m sure your much better fisherman then I, and when your hunt with your dogs do they ever cross on to posted property? If they do and I’m sure they do since they can’t read then how is that being respectful of others myson may have been sitting there waiting for that little buck before your dogs chased him away.

I don’t care how or what other people shoot or hunt with as long they stay on their property. Shoot all the deer you want on your land but don’t come and chase them off my land. That’s pisses me off is not hunting it happens every weekend on one of the farms we hunt once rifle season starts. I’m not joining the pita guys here but you know the state should do something my hunting time is just as important to me as yours is to you. I shouldn’t have my ruined so you can enjoy yours. Maybe the month of January should be dog hunting month. It wouldn’t matter here they use them illegal anyway as dog are not allowed in our county.

I’ve never entered a deer in a contest you think I should? I alsodon't bait deerand your right I’m not a member of the if its brown it’s down club I like to practice a littlequality deer management but not so some idiot can run his dogs through my land and kill them with buckshot from his truck window.

The guy shooting at us last year is no joke and I don't think it's funny not even a little. If he had not been dog hunting that would not have happen. He stopped his truck looking at the deer coming to cross the road they jumped in the woods behind me I turned to see what all the noise was only to hear the shot and see the deer fall he shot standing next to his door the deer hit the ground no farther fifteen feet from me he never seen me or my 4 wheeler parked on the side of the road thank god my son had already walk down the hill some or he would have been right behind the deer.

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So let me get this straight, you know me?

Of course you don't know mebut you continue down the same road of ignorance. And when I say ignorant don't take it as I think you are stupid because I don't think that at all. Any person that is a successful hunter and likes taking their kids huntinghas to have something going on upstairs. All I mean isI am not the guy disrespecting your land, I am not the guy that shot towards you and your son, I am not some beer drinking trespasser and it is uninformed of you to approach me as such. You can not be sure of anything since you do not know me, the land I hunt, the acreage, the kind of dogs we use, in short nothing is what you know about me and how I dog hunt. Yet you continue tolump me in with the bad experiences you have had with dog hunters or illegal hunters for that matter.

My whole point to you and anyone else is that there are many dog hunters that are respectful of bordering landowners, other hunters, and everything else hunting related. We may run hounds on our big piece(2500 acres) and we know the bordering clubsbut on the small tracts we usually just push 3 or 4 beagles. Communication and coordination within a club is necessary and trust me I know the bad side of dog hunting as I own 100 acre farm in VA and hunt clubs border us and inthe past we did have some trespassing problems and poaching problems. I'm really not a D head as you put I simply ask not to be painted with the same brush as the bad apples. I'm sure you would agree it is not just dog hunters breaking the laws and trespassing. There are bad apples in every bunch and I truly wish you did not have to deal with them andbeyond thatI think the local warden should be dealing with them all I am saying isthose guys do not represent alldog hunters.

As far as the"Release The Hounds" it is just a little inside joke, nothing serious or insulting just an old phrase I heard on some show abouthorseback hunting and foxes. However, I would say your first post in this thread was far from diplomatic or informative more like insulting and demeaningwhich led to my initial response. Those guys you were poking fun at and insulting their deerare good guys, respectful huntersand my friends so of course I didn't appreciate it and I'm sure you would not have either.

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Houndies, PLEASE TRY AND KEEP yourdrawers on!! I'm not trying to stop you from hunt'in, just havin a little fun with you houndies, that's all. Ido all kinds of hunting, with/without dogs, I just love the way we all wantto have our cake and eat it too! I've seen dozens of posts where hound hunters complain because they feel they are not allowed to have 70% representation at VDGIF deer/dog decision making sessions. (if that ain't bein a selfish, one way jackasswhat is?).

Fellas,I don't believe I've seen you complain about any of those posts? Maybe you can take a little time and shove your dogs where the sun don't shine. I hate to stoop down to your level, but your asked for it.

As far as my hunting rights go, I'm keeping my duck/rabbit dogs and my ass on my own property, or on leases where I have permission to be there. If you dothe same, you have noreason to worry, everything will keepgoing onit's merryway for you, too.

Oh,..., andby the way, congratulations on the deer. I've seen alot of little ones like that taken with dogs. I guess that really is a good way tohelpsomeone who dosen't know how to hunt take a nice deer. And now the smilies,....:):D:);):D:);)[8D][:-]:D:D:D:):););)[8D][&:];):Detc.

Happy new year.

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Ok dude, you don’t like being referred to as D head well I guess the master baiter comment was a little uncalled for since this is a hunting forum not a fishing forum. Now you’re right, I’m not stupid and I do know the definition of the word ignorant. Your problem is you mistake me for dumb hillbilly that’s never hunted with a dog before. I never said that I never hunted with a dog only that I don’t have any use for it. I have hunted with dogs and have known many other people that do. If I grouped you in with the bad dog hunter’s well maybe that’s because of the way you jump in with your release the hounds comment in the middle of what is obviously a heated thread for some. I don’t agree with the guys saying we should lobby to get it changed I don’t think we should give anyone ammo to use towards removing hunting laws. But it could be moved to a later date as I said maybe consider dog hunting season in the month of January. This would allow stand hunters and still hunter to have their hunting time without the disrespectful dog hunters destroying their hunting time. It is so frustrating, us stand hunters who only have one day a week to hunt also to have someone run their dogs by our stands at 8 am just sucks. Then we get to go home and watch TV for the rest of the day or sit in the wood and see nothing anything for a week. It would allow dog hunters to have a whole month to hunt by themselves. It might even bring more people to your dog hunting sport and put more money in the state in license fees. I would not give up any of my time hunting the rut to chase a bunch of hounds around the woods. But I might if it was after the prime hunting time I still think I would rather go coyote hunting after deer season. Just don't see it as much of achallenge.

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Well I've been in this thread since it was started and I really didn't consider itheated. If you knew me (just as far as these forums go) you would know I post in most every thread that comes up in regards to dog hunting not because I am a die hard dog hunter but because I know there are large groups of guys who do it the right way and IMO that is often overlooked because of bad personal experiences. I guess my reponse on pg. 3 to the other guy seemed heated but I am not for anyone talking of banning any type ofhunting especially on a hunting site and I'm glad to see you are not for that either.

I wasusing a little sarcasm with the master baiter comment(notice the winking smiley).You were bustingmy chops in your first postwhen talking about the pampers and the quality of deer in the pic with the dog, and I think it was a little more than ribbing/sarcasm, so I gave it backto you.I assumed you would have fairly thick skin to post something likethat knowing the probable type of response it would and didget, I guess I was wrong.For the record I have no problem beingreferred to asa d head (I've been called worse a couple of times by people that actually know me)the more important part of that quote and the reason I quoted itwasn't tha you called me a d head it wasthe fact that you don't know me and yet you are confident I was disrespectfuland havemy dogs running all over someone elses property.

Please don't put words in my mouth Inever thought I was dealing with a dumb hillbilly that never hunted with a dog before as you said. You seem to really want to take this personally, you jump in a thread and start bashing without even commenting on the topic,direct commentsabout dog hunters driving around drinking beerwhile shooting out of the window at meand then want me to believe that it was theMerry Christmas and Release the Houndscommentthatwas somehow over the top, a"non-diplomatic" statement that really bothered you (it's called sarcasm, ligthen up). And because of that commentyou chose to lump me in with the illegalslob hunting losers in your area, thanks. I'm notreal sure where you are going with this you don'tlike dog hunting, OK.

You stated you have dog hunted and might again but it's not really your thing and that is fine just like it is fine forthose who love it and are die hard about it and follow the letter of the law. Therein lies the problem, I really don't think most people hate dog hunters, they hate dog season so even if guys are doing it legally and respectfully some people still don't like the dogs stirring up the woods. I understand that but VADGIFmakes the regulations not the dog hunters.

I agree I don't see dog hunting as terribly challenging either,I do see it as fun and exciting though. Let's be realistic is any of it that challenging?Bow, blackpowder, rifle, orshotgun? Deer have a brain the size of a pear and here in VA they are extremely plentiful. We are humans, other than sense of smell we havean extreme advantage, after a certain number of seasonsis it that challenging?Anyway I'm sure you think yourfirst post was completely appropriate and I'm the one with the problem so I'm really not sure why I typed all of this but have a safe end of your seasonanyway.

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You are funny.:D A little comic relief from the guy that dog hunts but wants to ban dog hunting. Don't you have an anti-hunting rally you are supposed to be at?;) Quit wasting your timefraternizing with the enemy. And when I say wasting "your" time whatI really mean isour time, but I am sure you knew that. Also, I'm not worried. :D:)[8D];)

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By the way I am not a die hard dog hunter I "still" hunt far more often,I have only hunted w/dogs a couple of times the entire 07-08 season I just don't think banning or bashing something is the best route(especially a form of hunting). I do think it will eventually be regulated in VA as it is in other states and I hope that if/when that happensit will help the dog hunters in regards to how others view us. Only time will tell.


"Release The Arrow" jk;)

My Oct. bow kill:

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I don’t care what other people do as long as they do it on their property. It don’t matter if they want to run around and throw spears at the deer just wish they would keep their dogs away from where I hunt. You’ve explained yourself I’m not trying to put words in your mouth and I do take it personally to some extend because I’m tired of having my hunting trips ruined because of people running dogs in a county that doesn’t even allow dog hunting I could call the GW, why so they can get there tenth ticket for running dogs and pay the fine it don’t give me my day back. Anyway you seem like a decent guy I hope you can just look at this from another point of view when your dogs run a crossed somebody else’s land. Just think there might have been someone hunting there that just had to pack up and go home because they didn’t have 2500 ac. To hunt they only had fifty.

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Sometimes it's easy to get tunnel vision and not think about things from anothers perspective, myself included. I'm sorry to hear of the situation in the area you hunt and it definitely gives dog hunters a black eye/bad rep when things like that are going on and so little is being done about it. Over the past few seasons I have started hunting a lot of public land in VA. I have hunted the Appomattox/Buckingham State Forest and some WMA's near that but I haven't been to GW yet. From what you describe I will probably stick to hunting those lands during bow and bp to avoid theproblems.

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What does it really matter what size deer we take with dogs? Seriously, I know guys in the Florida Bucks Registry who have taken NUMEROUS 110+ bucks with dogs.
It would be anyone's own personal choice on whatsize buck toharvest.

I know just as many stillhunters shoot every buck they see that is Florida legal as doghunters....

Why is this agrument still happening; Both sides will never agree or compromise. Besides, I got some walker hounds with more comprehension skills and a higher IQ than the opposition.... j/k!!!

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wow, people fired up about this item. I usually hunt in central virginia and we have dog hunters all around us. I used to hate it, but have found it quite eneficial lately. A lot of the dogs run deer off some of the larger tracts onto our smaller tract. I shot an4 x 2 buckin November because the dogs pushed him and some does onto the property we hunt. I wouldnt have gotten a shot at that deer if it werent for those hounds. I figure its a price the hunt clubs should pay if you kill deer pushed by their dogs on your property.