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Gosh, it is just amazing how many guys there are out there who only get out to their deer stand one day out of the season and at that exact time the deer dogs come running thru driving every deerout of that county.I guess its always just bad timing[:o]

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I know I am a day late and a dollar short but here goes---I have NO problem with people running dogs...just keep them off the places I hunt that do not allow them or want them...pretty simple.

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It's also amazing how fast the dog hunters get angry if any other hunter is on thier "Hunt Club" land. Go out one day and put a climber on "Hunt Club" land and see how fast they are on you. It's a different story if you interupt the dog hunt. Actually, it's not too amazing that the guys that only have a day or two seem to see the dogs every time out, because they usually hunt on the weekend and the dogs run every weekend of hunting season here in VA.

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the difference is that you don't hear a bunch of dog hunters calling for the banning of stand hunting or criticizing all stand huntersbased on some instances of trespass by those who choose to hunt that way.

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It's really very simple. It's impossible to dog hunt without trespassing, plain and simple. You can however stand hunt wihtout bothering another man's property rights or intefer with another man's hunt. The solution to this problem is now being addressed, and those who trespass are very upset. Outstanding.

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In the words of an 8 year old... Well, duh!!!! :D[8D]

The rogue deer doggers brought it on themselves. Granted, there are some guys who run dogs who are nice, respectful, and do not bother anyone. Those guys need to speak up and speak out against the road hunters and trespassers.

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Actually it is very possible. You just have to know your state laws and in VA a dog hunter can go on private property to retrieve his dog as long as he is not armed (without asking a soul), he can use a vehicle to retrieve his animalsonly with landowner or agent permission. A dog hunter can retrieve his dogs from road right of ways(meaning he can drive around the roads and call his dogs to him).

I am notsaying they are the best laws but they are the laws. What some are calling trespassing is actually legal by VA law.That being said I do know there are lotsof actualcases of trespass as well buta man walking(unarmed) on your land to get his dogs or his dogs being on your land is not trespassing.

Starting ahunton a piece of landthat borders private propertyis not illegaleither but starting a hunt on someone elses private property is illegal, what I mean is if they start beside you and run across theydidn't break any law. Like I said I know itis not perfect and probably is part of the reason behind some of the questioniarres(sp?) and things VDGIF hads been sending out but as it is right now many still huntersdon't like dog season because of theinterference, aggravation but often no laws are actuallybeing broke.

From VDGIF:

Hunting With Dogs
[ul][*]Dogs may be used to pursue wild birds and animals during hunting seasons where not prohibited.[*]When the chase begins on other lands, fox hunters and coon hunters may follow their dogs on prohibited lands, and hunters of all other game, when the chase begins on other lands, may go upon prohibited lands to retrieve their dogs, but may not carry firearms or archery tackle on their persons or hunt any game while thereon. The use of vehicles to retrieve dogs on prohibited lands shall be allowed only with the permission of the landowner or his agent. Any person who goes on prohibited lands to retrieve his dogs and who willfully refuses to identify himself when requested by the landowner or his agent to do so is guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor. [/ul]

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I can see why that law will be changed. It states you have special rights to go on other peoples private property if you are a coon hunter or fox hunter and can retireve dogs.

It's just common sense, if you can't keep your hunting contained on property where you are welcome, it will be stopped all together.

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The problem with the way this law is written is that it essentially gives me permission to walk through your neighborhood, into your back yard, across your deck, look around under your deck, tramp through your rose garden, look under your boat cover, all around your carport or open garage and go anywhere else on your property with the exception of opening doors - provided that I identify myself and claim that I'm looking for my hunting dogs. Just because my property is wooded and posted it is no different (according to the way this law is written and interpreted) than the property upon which your primary dwelling sits.

Of course, most folks wouldn't dream of doing the things described above without first knocking on the door. And that is the gist of the problem. Most everyone would ask permission before entering someone's back yard, but if it's woods, it is somehow different.

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The law posted is a game law I believe it was probably written with the fact that often times landowners are unknown/unavailable or timber companies own the land and such.Like I said I don't think the laws are perfectI was just stating thatimperfect as some are they are still law. And I agree in a residential area or home dwelling most wouldknock on the door and ask permission, but often times when hunting there are just blocks of land and there is no door to knock on. I am not even sure how/if this law would be applied outside of a hunting area(i.e. neighborhood/home) or if any other law would supercede it.

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All dog hunters trespass? Darn, i will have to pass that assessment along to my family in Louisiana that hunt on leased timber land that is literally miles away from any private ground. Ditto for folks I know in florida whose dog hunting clubs lease tens of thousands of acres of landm, then have to deal with trespass by other kinds of deer hunters. It is misinformed statements like "all dog hunters trespass" that that makes it difficult to take the comments of most anti-dog hunters seriously.

Sorry guys, but the simple fact is that non-dog hunters, in terms of both overall numbers and percentages, are likely responsible for far more instances of trespass, property damage, and slob hunting than dog hunters. And feel free to check with your local game wardens if you don't believe me.
When you can learn to live with that reality, you will be less inclined to make blanket, unfounded criticisms of other hunting styles.

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WHOA, right there. I hunt on 70,000 continous acres. I have never trepassed in my life on someone's property to retreive dogs. We have 3 large DOG HUNTING clubs in our county withvery few complaintsto the FWC a year. Not all deer doggers are trepassers.

Dont make a blanket statement like that, it just shows your ignorance towards the subject at hand.

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We need to work together to fight the deer dog hunters. They say that deer dog hunting is a tradition. Riding around in a truck following a dog with a tracking collar or GPS is not a tradition.Why should the VDGIF let the deer dog hunterscontinue to use dogs and break more laws? They may not be robbing a bank but they are still breaking the law when they shot 10 or 20 bucks a year. Sure there are some deer dog hunters that hunt the dogs the right way. Most of the dog hunters in this area shoot as many deer as they can because their dogs are running them. Also many of these so-called hunters do not care if the land is posted.Hunting with deer dogs is a joke. I'm glad so many people are posting these great comments against the deer dog hunters. It seems that the deer dog hunters that are posting their comments are mad because the truth is coming out about how these outlaws hunt.

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No mainly we get mad when people make ignorant blanket statement comments and lump good, respectful, law abiding dog hunters in with whatever bad experiences they have had in their lives. Take for example your comment....that is some very thorough research there and the numbers are shocking, those dog hunters are bad, thanks for bringing those horror stories to light for us. You forgot to mention that it is a known fact that every person that violates a game law or poaches or trespasses or doesn't tag their deer correctly they are all dog hunters or related to one(or they at least own a dog).

I doubt you know any one hunter who kills 10-20 bucks a season but if you do then his correct title is poacher, not dog hunter and you should probably report him to the game warden. As far as the amount of deer killed, Va has very liberal bag limits and many clubs hunt with the DMAP program sopeople can kill just about whatever is running and however many they wantbecause probably 75% of the time what'sbeing runare does. If dog hunting and dog hunting clubs were removed from VA do you have any idea the population problems we would have. Who is going to pick up the slack in the deer harvest #'s, still hunters? Not likely unless the season was about 3 months longer and I don't say that as an attack on still hunters because I am one of those aswell it's just that realistically dog clubs generealyy harvest a lot of deer..

Great first post by the way, do you know "Corky" from that old TVseries "Life Goes On"?

I was just wondering.

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I have read these posts for years. In my area everyone is a dog hunter so we work together and we do not have the situations that others are having. We also work closely with our land owners and if, and it does not happen that much, dogs do get off of our land we get permission to retrieve them. We have a lot of land and our dogs came run for hours and not go off of our land. It is tradition and it will continue to be for a long time.

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NEW61375 Yes I do know Corky,I spoke to your father just last week and yes I do know numerous people that kill 10 to 20 bucks a year. They shoot every buck and doethat see because their dogs are running them. We have 1 game warden in our county and 700 square miles. He can not stop all of you. O I'm sorry you said that you are not a poacher. In my statement I said that there are some deer dog hunters that hunt the right way. Well you need to tell your friends to stop breaking the law. And further more deer dog hunting will be over in the next 5 years anyway. So why don't move to another state so that you can run your S..T eating dogs. We have hundred of people ready to the state's survey in my area. One thing that you are right about is that there are still hunters that hunt like slobs too. :D

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What a gem! That's good stuff right there, my dad (Bennie) says hello. If this is what post 1 and 2 are all about I anxiously await your future contributions. But seriously,my friends aren't breaking any game laws and unlike you I am not aware of individuals killing 10-20 bucks a season if I were the game warden or VDGIFwould have already been contacted. But I wouldn't expect you to do anything proactive, just come on here and piss and moan about dog hunters and their s**t eating dogs but by all means don't contact the VDGIF and let them know of the situation you are faced with and the lack of law enforcement. You say you have hundreds of people in your areaready to take a survey but at the same timethere isnoone to combat the problems. That doesn't make much sense, instead of taking a survey why don'tyou and your 100'sfile a complaint,register a petition with hundreds of signatures from your area with the VDGIF, demand a meeting to address the situation.On second thought,nevermind don't do anything, fill out your survey andcome on an internet site and blame me forthe problems in your area. God forbid youget up off your arse and do anything. I understand, it'sjust easier to do nothing and whine about it than to do somethingand help yourself. Me moving to another state and dog hunting being banned in VA, definitely two things that won't happen in the next 5 years, and you can quote me on that. However, the dogs have been known to eat their own s**t on occasion so I'm pretty sure that will happen again soon.;)

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You anti-doggers spell it with me: T-R-A-D-I-T-I-O-N. this is the reason why deer hunting with dogs will be around a little longer.

Florida had this same problem with land owners and property rights laws.the FWC had a couple meetings and made us "register" our dog hunting clubs and dogs, thats it. Not much has changed our sport., for every land taken away, more is provided bythe state.

I amhoping the surveys will be taken and the state will put some minor regulations on dog hunting at the most, if any action is taken. It really depends on how much $$$, as in the cost to benefit ratio of dog hunting. Dog hunting will probably remain and most property owners will go on their merry way. I am not saying dog hunting will be around forever, but i don think it will be hastily made illegal. More of a phasing out by regulations, that is how states do it.

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Well I can't say as that I'm surprised by your posts, more retardation shining through. If you had looked at my pics you would have seen that the vast majority are still hunting photos so I'm pretty sure my learning curve is ok there. As far as the size of bucks I guess it would matter if I claimed to be some kind of trophy hunter but I haven't and will continue to shoot any deer I choose, I guess you feel like you have to kill big antlers to make up for your other shortcomings, your right I don't have a girlfriend but as you can tell I have been speaking to yours, I wouldn't even bringher up but since we are talking about dogs. Throw a tracking collar on her and you can even see where I live.

Yeah I'm about 30 and if your ever inSoutheast VA during dog season give me a shout, we can meet up and turn some dogs out, it will be fun.;)

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Let's turn a mess of hounds loose on this little sissy!! Watch him squeel like a piggy!!

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I know I don't have a dog in this fight since I hunt in Northern Virgina...But,I have hunted with dogs when I was in college in Tennesse and man was it fun! It is exhiliterating too hear the dogs start to holler and know they are coming your way. Thats the only time I had the pleasure to hunt with dogs and I must say I did enjoy it. Just my two cents worth!

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I don't really care anymore if they totally do away with dog hunting because I know that will never happen. but make it start later, saythe first saturday in december- season close

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To those of you that have a problem with prople running dogs on your property/hunting your leased or owned property make the calls and letters to your head of game commission, your local county commisioners, your news papers, your representatives and don't stop with just a once in two or three year call/letter. Post your land, get names, tag numbers and keep a recorded diary of noted illegal activities. Up till a few years ago there were numerous dog hunting clubs in my area of North Florida and South Bama. Now I don't know of but 2 clubs remaining outside of Eglin AFB. It doesn't take but a few bad apples of dog hunters to ruin it for everybody else. It isn't right, but it is the truth. I use to love dog hunting, but I can see the problems dog hunting have and I can see and admit that the dog hunters brought it on themselves with illegal methods and the common site of a drunk hunter. Again it is a small percentage of dog hunters that fall in this category, but it is the truth.

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DOES ANYBOBY KNOW WHEN THE STATE IS GOING TO POST THE DOG HUNTING SURVEY?

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Trolls are cool.:eek:

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BEhunting 14, i am really impressed with the name-calling. What are you like 12 year old? You could learn to state you opinion and leave it at that.

As i stated before, it isn't about the harvesting of deer, it's about hearing and watching the dogs work.

This is off-topic, not trying to jack the thread-
TIMBERCRUISER- i think the dog hunting clubs in that area have dwindled more because of new development than complaints from citizens. Land that was once worth nothing more than the planted pines on it is now becoming strip malls from urban sprawl. I actually plan and designalot of the new highways and additions to highways in this area, so i speak from experience. Along with 'certain unnamed large landholder' in the area of northwest florida that transformed from a paper/pulp company to a land development company they tried to develop the whole panhandle to turn a enormous profit. I for one am glad the bottom fell out of the market and you should too as a timbercruiser(we as hunters ALL need the timber commpany's land to hunt). I for one want to be able to run my hounds and stillhunt on vast continous acreage leased from these forestry companies.

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bryant1 If you like to hear the dogs so much, get you some rabbit dogs. My opinion is that most deer dog hunters are criminals. I know a lot of people that hunt with deer dogs. Most all of them that I know do not care if it is a doe day or not. They shoot what ever they see because their dogs are running them. One day that I hunt with a friend of mine,1 button buck were killed and 2 does. It was not even a doe day. Sure it is easy to say call a game warden about this. However the fact is that this happens all over the state.

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you are right, some people I know do the same thing, it doesn't matter to them, they want whatever is infront of the dogs killed

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Bryant, I would bet that old Ed Ball has turned over in his grave with the results of what happened to his St. Joe Timber Company after he died. He thought the will was set up so that what happened would never happen. The dog hunters that have the luxury of hunting places like Eglin AFB, the vast timber land holdings around Perry and other places in the south will probably be able to dog hunt for a few more years. The days of timber companies holding vast tracts of timberland is quickly coming to an end inmany areas. It is too expensive to pay land taxes, plant, and manage timberland for 30 or so years for a crop of pine timber to be harvested. One fire, hurricane, disease, insectinfestation or other loss and you lose everything for a long time. Most pine stands do well to average a $70 per year return over the 30 or so year harvest life of a stand. Rayonier is one of the last ones in our area, and they have started selling off their south Bama land. Plum Creek doesn't allow dog hunting on their property.

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SORRY-ITS OFF TOPIC

Timbercruiser- you got that right, it is a sad site to see old St. Joe companysale off or develop all their prime hunting land.They actually own about 3,500 acres of our hunting club and own the land bordering our hunting club in Jefferson County. It is all posted withfor sale signs.
My grandfather actually bought 400 acres inMadison Countyfrom Rayonier in 1997 for 400 dollars an acre, and the most of the rest of Rayonier holdings in the area was sold off to other timberland companies in our area.I hate to say it but the future is grim for the vast timber acreage in ALL of FLorida. The only way it can be saved if the land cannot be cost-feasible to develop (floodzones,location, etc), that and the location of the pulp mill will be the only ways to save the doghunting tracts of land around Perry.

But a company is in business to make the most profit possible, even if it means transforming in from one business to another. They could care less about thetiny $ amount they get fromhunting leases, developed land is the hot commodity.The timber is near worthlesscomparedto the land, when before the 'land boom' it was the opposite.

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10-4,Partner!!..........You and I didn't run dogs together, but we ran them in the same area!:)

Hey guys, I ran Hog Dogs for 45+ years and in between, Deer dogs. On private property and WMA's onDesignated Dog Areas and never had a confrontation with anyone.....

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HOKIEMAN There is info on this forum about the scam that was going on. Also, I noticed that there is a list of hunt clubs on the so called alliance's web site.I know that at least4 of the hunt clubslisted and3of 4 the are some of the bestest groups of game law breakers in my area. This helps prove my piont why are you helping the criminal deer dog hunters?

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Excuse me...CRIMINAL DEER DOG HUNTERS??? What's that about I'll let you know that people love us to hunt their land. We have work days, clean up days, and we always drop by to say "Hi, need any help with anything?" MOST dog hunters don't intentionally put their dogs on non-leased land, deer have minds of their own and dogs just follow. You may complain about the dogs but if you don't run dogs on your property the deer will consider your property a safe-haven. At least we're notbaiting or anything like that. MOst people against dogs hunters everywhere have never experienced the rush or either have had 1 or 2 bad experiences.

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I suggest in the future you get your facts straight and not comment without first knowing. don't believe half of what you read on these forums as their filled with lies and untruths. Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance is a political action group that gives huntingdog owners a political voice in the general assembly. we are not criminals nor are our members.

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HOKIEMAN I'M TELLING YOU THAT 3 OUT 4 OF THE HUNT CLUBS THAT I KNOW AND ARE LISTED ON THE SO CALLED ALLIANCE'S WEB SITE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN GROUPS OF CRIMINALS. THEY SHOOT DOES OUT OF SEASON, THEY TRESPASS ON POSTED PROPERTY, THEY SHOOT FROM THE TRUCK, THEY DON'T CHECK IN THE DEER THAT THEY KILL, ETC. THE FACT IS THAT THE STATE KNOWS THAT THIS IS GOING ON. THIS IS WHY THEY STARTED THE STUDY. SORRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. THE FACT IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO HELP THESE CRIMINALS, YOU ARE NO BETTER THEN THEM. ALSO, YOU NEED AND YOUR ALLIANCE NEEDS TO FACE THE FACT THAT THINGS CAN'T KEEP GOING LIKE THE ARE. I DON'T CARE IF THE ALLIANCE IS A SCAM OR NOT, I'M NOT GIVING MY HARD EARNED MONEY TO A GROUP OF CRIMINALS.

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Well which is it? 3 or 4, name them and then leave your name and address so that I can have an officer of the law come by and take your statement and charges can be filed. However in the state of virginia it is agianst the law to file a false claim so get your story straight and I'll be in contact and thanks for bringing this to light.

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Well since you used all caps you must be right!!;)

While I have know doubt you and most people know someone commiting game violations(and no it is not just dog hunters) I call BS on the statement that the state knows about it and chooses to do nothing. If there is a problem and you and others have intimate knowledge of it and you pursue getting it resolved(i.e. calling, petitioning, calling again, e-mail ,etc) something will get done. I have seen it first hand and yes it took a lot of effort on mine and my families part but the end result was the law breakers in our area were thinned out over a couple of seasons. The only reason I say intimate knowledge is that you would really have to know the inner workings of a club and be hunting with or right on top of it's members(or them on top of you for that matter) to know the types of laws that are being broken. For example most hunt clubs of a decent size can easily get DMAP permits and this allows them to shoot does whenever they want and they also are given a log book to check their own deer in, and anyone can call deer in (non DMAP) so how could you 100% without a doubt know these guys don't have DMAP's and are not calling in the deer that are killed unless you were hunting with them or you just heard it from someone(and we all know how reliable that is).

Calling all dog hunters criminals isoffensive to those of us that are not, if you can't understand why noone cares what you are mutteringand barely takes the time to muster up thefinger strength to respond toyou may want to re-evaluate your approach and your message/point(not that you even made one). I truly can understand some peoples frustration and empathize with them as I have seen and dealt with law breakers myself in hunting, but you are not one of those people.

Honestly I knew every thing I needed to know about you after you made the post above. And I am not just talking about this topic I mean real world. Sit at your computer blabbering away on a borderline incoherent andignorant rant. The tough guy still livingin his momsbasement name calling over the internet, we have all seen it before and it is a tired act.

I can tell youif I were a gay deer hunter(which for the record I am not,my 3 kidswere all produced naturally;))you wouldn't do much for mebecause you obviously have more female tendencies than male ones. You know what I mean, name calling, not making sense, trying to prove a worthless point by talking loudly(or typing loudly in your case), andother obvious PMS symptoms. I wouldn't be surprised if you and the othertroll on this thread(jwilson) are the same troll just alternate names or making up new ones as the old ones get banned.

Keep up the good work, I'll give you this you are funny, like a clown here for our amusementora bad jokethat a personcan't help but chuckle at.

Q. Why don't cannibals eat clowns??
A. Because they taste funny!!:D

I'll be here til Thursday, be sure to tip your waitresses.

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Hokieman I back you 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Behunting14 you must be from a horrible part of the state or having selective eyesite and see what you want because to let you know we have about 5 or 6 huntclubs in our area and only 1 is not a dog club. I can GUARANTEE you thatNO ONE in our club has been arrested or questioned for ANYTHING criminal related while hunting in the last 5 years minimum. I don't know about the other clubs, but we have had no problems with them. I've said it once and I'll say it again, people around our landask us to hunt their land we rent it, clean it, and fix the roads. If Virginia ever does away with dog hunting I'll bet they lose so much money they wouldn't know what to do from no hunting licenses being sold.

By the way, have you ever hunted with dogs? Also, let's see some evidence of the CRIMINALS that you have. With all the stuff you said, you must have something to prove it.

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This is interesting. Have any of you lived in Virginia long enough to remember the term "pothunter"? I'm sure a dog hunter would know the meaning...the road runs both ways in the deer dog hunting argument.

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hokieman like I'm going to give my name and address on an open forum so that these rednecks can come after me. Andlike a game warden is justgoing togo to thesepeople and charge them with thesecrimes just becauseI saidthatit happened.Their information has been given to the proper people. That's why I glad that they started this study. If youlive in an area wherethese type of crime are not happening, then may be you shouldtell us where you live so that we can all moveto your area. Becauseit mustbe the only area in the state that these crimes are not being committed.Once again I don't care what you think. I've been a rabbit hunter and had rabbit dogs for years. I just can not stand deer dogs because in my area most of the hunters do not hunt the right way. What I can not stand the most is when they take they children with them and they teach them how to pothunt. Good choice of words 14thVa. Asfor you New61375 or Newfag61375 what ever your name is ifyou want in this fight then bring it on. I just wrote that comment because I thought that you were an open gay deer dog hunter because of your name. I don't care what you think either. I don't know you and I don't know no jwilson. But, that was some funny stuff that he was writing about you. hahahaha.