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Like killing dogs?????? Most are law abiding hunters. I know Mr. belshan told me a guy he rents to shot someones dog. He said the game warden couldnt do anything about but he would if it happened again. hookie, I disagree with you on sunday hunting but deff. agree with you about your last post(about the bs) but remember it is a small handful of stillhunters that feel that way. Most understand that dogs are gonna be in the woods and they deal with it (AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT PURPOSLY TURNED OUT ON HIS LAND!) One thing I have realized is that some of these dumbos are never gonna change,all about themselves. TO BE CLEAR LEGAL DOGGERS< NOT THE SLUM THAT PURPOSLY TURN OUT WITH THE INTITION OF USING OTHERS LAND TO HUNT!

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Attention everyone......... HM has been Googleing my name and he found out I have some pet birds - parrots to be exact. We used to breed them but got out of it years ago. So he's posting go feed my parrots like it's supposed to mean something to me or anyone else. Maybe it's to let me know he's searching my info up on the web. I'm flattererd and didn't know you care so much.

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LOL you wished. I figured as much from your username.:eek:

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More BS. Too funny! Way too funny.

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Here's Derick's latest self appointed job - copyright police. I feel safer already.

http://hunter316.proboards45.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thr ead=1203173173&page=1

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WOW That is a little weird.

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I hope you know that he is right- they will shut your board down quickly if you have their copyrighted graphics. One of my co-workers is a graphic artist and that is the first and most important rule- dont pull anything off the internet for business use without proper consent. Those guys should know that already, seems to me he was just giving them a heads up before they got into trouble...

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OK, New to this forum. Just finished reading all 13 pages of this. I haven't seen this question asked or answered yet (but I may have missed it), so here it goes:

What classifies a tradition? How long must something have taken place, or how many times to be classified as a tradition? When is something no longer a tradition?

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Slavery was a tradition (and still is in some places). That doesn't make it right.

A random rant: I was out this past Saturday clearing and planting a food plot and dogs were running deer through the cutover for a good portion of the day!! Maybe they were chasing fox as I actually didn't see the deer :eek:

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Well if he's looking for infractions he's got his work cut out. It happens everyday. Is it right? No. Is HM going to save anyone? No. But why make a post on it? PM the site owner or whoever is doing it or advise the author of the piece in question. It's a forum not a business. They'll ask you to first remove it and if you don't comply they'll notify the hosting service and shut it down. I used free graphics on a site and someone notified me it was theirs. I had the link to the free download, gave them the link and never heard anything back. Lots of people like to play police or other games or just stick their noses in other people business.

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Bet you didn't see the guys in red coats on horses either. The fox chasing loophole has got to be the most abused act in VA.

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I need to come and hunt where some of you guys do... it seems every time some of you step out of the door there is a dog running deer, no matter where or when but it seems to happen to you everyday:eek:lol.

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Like your are doing on every post.

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I'm going to say every Sat all of bow & ML last year but there might have been one that wasn't messed with. And a lot of the weekdays. I hunted late season in an area that dogs were not allowed at all for deer and had zero there. Funny where there is zero dogs allowed for deer there are no "fox" hunters. Hmmmmm.........?????? LOL

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On dog chasing issues I respond. No new posts off-topic on non-hunting issues.

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That's right! All you would have to do is step out into the woods and wait for a pack to come running deer out everywhere.You guys must have a dog experience everytime you go out. It sure is funny- my friend and his family go every year to Virginia to stillhunt right in the middle of doghunting country and have NEVER had a dog experience. In fact, his dad bought a beagle/walker cross (they are also doghunters too).

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As far as having no dog issues where you hunted late season I would hope not, since you state that there is no deer dog hunting allowed.

The whole thing with no fox hunters where there is no deer dog hunting could be very misleading to people if you choose not to disclose where you are hunting. If you were hunting in Fairfax or Prince William Counties (as examples) then I would expect that there are no fox hunters that run their to begin with. Due mostly to the part of the landscape being so cut up that it makes running hard, and the chances of loosing a dog on a roadway greatly increase in a enviroment like that. So that makes it very unrealistic that you would find a fox hunter there, besides I am unsure if the county regulations would allow for it as well.
Fox
Hunting With Dogs and Firearms
Season:
November 1-February 29. Closed in Albemarle, Clarke, Culpeper, Fauquier (except Quantico), Loudoun, Louisa, and Rappahannock counties.
Dogs May Not Be Used:
[ul][*]To hunt foxes during deer season
[ul][*]on the Gathright, Goshen, Highland and Little North Mountain Wildlife Management Areas and within the boundaries of the George Washington/Jefferson National Forests. [/ul][/ul]
Hunting With Dogs Only
Continuous open season statewide; closed February 1-October 31 on the George Washington/Jefferson National Forests and on Gathright, Goshen, G. Richard Thompson, Highland, Little North Mountain, and Rapidan WMAs.
Restrictions:
[ul][*]To have in possession a firearm when hunting fox outside of the dog and gun fox season. Possession shall include, but not be limited to, having any firearm in or on one's person, vehicle, or conveyance [/ul]
(taken from the VDGIF website)(dont want the copywrite police to get me!)


Now if you were hunting in a western county or a county with more rural setting then there could be a few reasons. First of all you stated it was still deer season, so why couldnt the fox hunters be deer hunting (either still hunting or hunting in another location where it is legal to use deer dogs).

Not all fox hunters (who use dogs) are deer dog hunters. There are some that strictly do one or the other.

I am not saying that there does not need to be some changes made to control the rogue hunters, I am saying that contrary to your opinion (which you are entitled to but it is opinion) that not everyone who uses a dog to chase fox or deer is a slob hunter. It just seems that you might be next to a group that has some issues, or maybe you just dont like it at all and think that if everyone doesnt hunt like you do then they are in the wrong?

Either way trying to bust apart the overall ranks of all hunters in VA is doing nothing but helping the Anti's, believe me there are alot of eyes on everyone and alot of groups laying in wait to strike.

Justin

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There was no dog hunting for deer and only deer on that piece, a state WMA. There is deer chasing allowed on the adjoining lands. But since it's late season and dog deer chasing is open elsewhere the doggers move onto other places. None of the deer chasing affects fox chasing but not a single "fox" chase going on. Why's that? One explanation is that the so called fox hounds don't exist but are in reality deer hounds using the fox loophole. But since there was legal chasing and shooting elsewhere they choose that instead. Now I bet once the shooting/chasing ends they start back chasing "foxes" there. I'll be scouting soon and I'll see then if I'm correct.


Also no need to post dog chasing rules and laws. I know them all too well by now.

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A statement made by the Legend Bob Kane -Bobby responded on another forum that and I quote " I exaggerated the number of non-hunters in VHDOA for effect." and He deliberately lied to House Ag Committe and present house members on January 30, 2008. what else has bobby lied about for effect.

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Well if anyone was qualified to spot a lie you're my man for that job. Takes one to know one.

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If hunting with dogs is such a sacred tradition, why are you doing it with pickup trucks, tracking collars and hunting licenses? None of these things were utilized when the tradition was born, so there fore they are not part of the tradition.

As was mentioned earlier, Slavery was a tradition in a large area of our country. In my opinion, some traditions need to be done away with. Anyone care to disagree with this point?

Dog running doesn't have to end, it does however need to be changed. There are far to many unenforcable laws. The Game Wardens know this and therefore rarely even try to enforce them. The law makers know this but don't care, their votes have basically been bought and paid for. It only makes financial sense for them to keep things the way they are. There is a group of people out there touting to be for all hunters rights, but when a bill is introduced to expand and further hunting rights for all hunters, they join HSUS in opposing itThis group is in total denial about the law breaking some of their members doing, it's never their fault, and all they tell you is to call the GW (who knows it's an un-enforcable law).

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My guess is that the pickup trucks are easier than a horse and bugy, tracking collars(for those who use them) is the same reason most bow hunters no longer use the old bows, technology. and the license part I guess would be the same for everyone who hunts.... you cant hunt with out it.;)

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My point is, a tradition is something that doesn't change, so don't use the modern convieniense (sp?). Stop using the BS argument of "Its a Tradition in VA". I never claimed my bow or muzzle loader was traditional (even though that's what they are classified as) because we all know that's BS unless your shooting a homemade self bow, long bow or a traditional flintlock or percussion ML. My compound shoots accurately out to about 80 yds (not that I would EVER take a shot at a deer at that range), and my ML shoots 2" groups at 150 yds. That's not traditional. Dressing up as Santa and handing out presents on Christmas morning, that's a tradition. 30 guys/gals throwing up a wall of lead at a deer running full speed across a field with it's tounge hanging out in front of a pack of dogs is not a tradition. It's a silly argument. Can I utilize my "combination AK-57, uzi, laser, radar guided, triple barrelled, double scoped, heat seaking shotgun" if I say its my "tradition"?:D

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Deepzak you make a good point, but all is lost on these folks. Talking tothem about this subject is like pissing up a rope. It is either their way or forget it. It is their tradition.

As faras dog hunting, I love it, but not fordeer hunting. Birds, rabbits are great times. But whenwe hunt these game we always had good control of our dogs. They didn't run all overthe place where they were notallowed.

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who cares if its a tradition or not (you guys are grasping). Im just glad most still hunters dont feel the way some of you guys do about dog hunting.(the legal way) Some of you guys are one way lol. I know all arnt so that does not pertain to you guys. The comment of not being able to talk to doghunters on the issue is the pot calling the kettle black if I have ever seen it. lol

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Dog running is no more a past time than market hunting for waterfowl was. A tradition is turkey on thanksgiving, a beer on your 18th (now 21st) birthday, dinner on the ground after church... those are traditions. Hunting is a tradition, but how it is done varies greatly. Fact is, the terrain and deer herd densities in the SE part of VA lend themselves to dog hunting. You have basically three types of hunting conditions: fields, super thick new cutovers, and swamps. None of these are really all that easy to hunt without the use of dogs... sure it can be done, but do you think you can effectively manage the herd this way? Look at what is happening in northern VA?

I agree with you. Human encroachment and hunter indifference is to blame. When someone buys 5 acres in the middle of 500 a hunt club used to hunt, they need to be respectful of the land owner's right to be there. It doesn't matter how may decades you've been hunting there... a man has a right to his property. When dog clubs decide to run all over his land, this most likely retired baby boomer is going to pick up the phone and call his lawmaker and the media. I'm tired of seeing "hunters" stand on Rte 14 in King and Queen county in the middle of the day on my ride home from my duck blinds. I'm fed up with shooting escaped, rib-showing thin walkers in May running pregnant does and busting up my spring turkey hunts on private land. The answer is for dog clubs to start taking ownership in their sport, instead of hiding behind the "its our tradition" crap, they need to man up and police their own... or it will be the end of their way of hunting forever.

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A lot of that has to do with where the dogs are put out to start with, and the kinds of dogs that are typically used for hunting deer... if hunt clubs would start running beagles instead of long-legged dogs that would solve a heck of a lot of the problem.... not to mention that most clubs would probably kill more deer because the dogs would be more prone to stay in the hunt rather than running 4 miles to a river or a highway. I've shot piles of deer infront of both walkers and beagles... but the best hunts I've ever been on have either been with walkers on HUGE blocks with lots of hunters and lots of dogs... or in sub 300 acre chunks with 15-20 beagles coming in from three directions... they just bump the deer along and get the deer up and moving.... you can whack 'em.

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I am not totally against dog hunting for deer (thought never even crossed my mind for other game animals except maybe cougar). The problem lies with the way it is currently conducted. It is far too easy to hide behind nondescript and vague laws. My dog cant read; I'm just recovering my dog; the dog got out/away; it's a fox dog....and the list goes on. I have a feeling that deer hunting with dogs' days are limited due to poor management practices by those who partake, even if it's only a small number who do the damage. If there is one thing I have learned being in the Navy for 18 years, it's perception is everything. One person being lazy or not being on their toes can be the prime reason to cause an enemy to attack. Dog hunters have made a poor name for themselve, and therefore have no one to blame but themselves for the coming changes.

I'll make a deal with all the dog hunters; If my bow/muzzleloader or rifle ever gets out and onto your property and disturbs your hunt, you have my express permission to shoot it or dispose of it as you see fit if I can do the same to your hunting equipment. Sounds reasonable to me.

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lol classic. lol Ahhhhhhhhhh, dont know what to even say about that post I guess there are a few of your kind in every crowd.

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Andy, I would agree with most of your post, but Istill don't see a need to shoot a dog.

The deer population in NOVAis a resultof goodhabitat and a lack of access for hunters. You would have to admit that most of the land in NOVA is "huntable" and the deer numbers could be controlled by bowhunters if they had access to more property.
Running deer with dogs was never popular in NOVA andtoday it wouldn't be practical.

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Thats my point about NOVA. SE VA is every bit, if not more so primed for large, dense herds of deer, and with the open fields, then THICK cutovers and swamps.... its hard to hunt any other way but with dogs. By its nature it limits access... just with cutovers instead of with cul-de-sacs.

The dogs that get shot usually aren't deer dogs... they are usually some type of cross between a house dog and a deer dog.... obviously wild, and twice rabid. I'm a softy myself and the older I get the harder and harder it is for me to do. But trust me, I only shoot the ones that need shooting anyway, and I think throughout the past 20 years that has only been 5. A friend and I did have a walker hound a week after the deer season attack his lab as we walked in to a wood duck swamp. After we got Drake behind us that dog didn't get a second chance.