Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
03-05-2007, 02:11 PM
#21
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner
some years back, the ballistic tips, were very tender, and they did get a bad rap, but when nosler discontinued the solid base boatail, the ballistic tips were changed, the bullet weights normaly used for big games were made to the exact specs as the solid base bullets, the varminter weights were left unchanged, so the ballistic tips we shoot deer and other game with is in fact a nosler solid base boatail with a polymer tip. so how do you know which bullet weights are built with heavier jackets? look how they're packaged, varmint weights come either 100 or 250 per box, the game weights (solidbase with a BT) are packaged 50 per box.
personaly I have shot whitetails with .284 140 BT's with impact velocity anywhere from 2100 fps, to over 3500 and have had no isses unless you hit the shoulder at 3300 fps or faster. at 3000 and less they work great.
RR
some years back, the ballistic tips, were very tender, and they did get a bad rap, but when nosler discontinued the solid base boatail, the ballistic tips were changed, the bullet weights normaly used for big games were made to the exact specs as the solid base bullets, the varminter weights were left unchanged, so the ballistic tips we shoot deer and other game with is in fact a nosler solid base boatail with a polymer tip. so how do you know which bullet weights are built with heavier jackets? look how they're packaged, varmint weights come either 100 or 250 per box, the game weights (solidbase with a BT) are packaged 50 per box.
personaly I have shot whitetails with .284 140 BT's with impact velocity anywhere from 2100 fps, to over 3500 and have had no isses unless you hit the shoulder at 3300 fps or faster. at 3000 and less they work great.
RR
biggamehunter,come on man you have been askingabout bullets for a while nowand still notta a sniff...really???
Have you shot anything throughthe 300wsm to see what it likes yet?
03-05-2007, 04:22 PM
#22
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
ORIGINAL: skeeter 7MM
Agreed. I have often wonder if ourlarge bodieddeer are made of paper as they certainly don't "BLOW UP" BT's like I see thrown all over these internet forums[:-]!
biggamehunter,come on man you have been askingabout bullets for a while nowand still notta a sniff...really???
Have you shot anything throughthe 300wsm to see what it likes yet?
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner
some years back, the ballistic tips, were very tender, and they did get a bad rap, but when nosler discontinued the solid base boatail, the ballistic tips were changed, the bullet weights normaly used for big games were made to the exact specs as the solid base bullets, the varminter weights were left unchanged, so the ballistic tips we shoot deer and other game with is in fact a nosler solid base boatail with a polymer tip. so how do you know which bullet weights are built with heavier jackets? look how they're packaged, varmint weights come either 100 or 250 per box, the game weights (solidbase with a BT) are packaged 50 per box.
personaly I have shot whitetails with .284 140 BT's with impact velocity anywhere from 2100 fps, to over 3500 and have had no isses unless you hit the shoulder at 3300 fps or faster. at 3000 and less they work great.
RR
some years back, the ballistic tips, were very tender, and they did get a bad rap, but when nosler discontinued the solid base boatail, the ballistic tips were changed, the bullet weights normaly used for big games were made to the exact specs as the solid base bullets, the varminter weights were left unchanged, so the ballistic tips we shoot deer and other game with is in fact a nosler solid base boatail with a polymer tip. so how do you know which bullet weights are built with heavier jackets? look how they're packaged, varmint weights come either 100 or 250 per box, the game weights (solidbase with a BT) are packaged 50 per box.
personaly I have shot whitetails with .284 140 BT's with impact velocity anywhere from 2100 fps, to over 3500 and have had no isses unless you hit the shoulder at 3300 fps or faster. at 3000 and less they work great.
RR
biggamehunter,come on man you have been askingabout bullets for a while nowand still notta a sniff...really???
Have you shot anything throughthe 300wsm to see what it likes yet?
03-06-2007, 11:27 AM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Baileysville, WV
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
Everybody tells me they have changed them an I do believe them. But I had 2 BAD experiences in 1994 with them and will never be able to make myself use them again. Typical close range WV shots which floored both deer like a sledge hammer...cept they got up and took off never to be seen again. Both shoulder shots...these were with 165 gr 30-06.
I do have quite a good supply of the Nosler Solid Bases here now though. They do pretty daggone good on deer. So if the Ballistic tips are the same now they should be a good bullet but it would be a big leap for me to ever use one again.
I do have quite a good supply of the Nosler Solid Bases here now though. They do pretty daggone good on deer. So if the Ballistic tips are the same now they should be a good bullet but it would be a big leap for me to ever use one again.
03-06-2007, 02:58 PM
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
ORIGINAL: Doe Dumper
Everybody tells me they have changed them an I do believe them. But I had 2 BAD experiences in 1994 with them and will never be able to make myself use them again. Typical close range WV shots which floored both deer like a sledge hammer...cept they got up and took off never to be seen again. Both shoulder shots...these were with 165 gr 30-06.
I do have quite a good supply of the Nosler Solid Bases here now though. They do pretty daggone good on deer. So if the Ballistic tips are the same now they should be a good bullet but it would be a big leap for me to ever use one again.
Everybody tells me they have changed them an I do believe them. But I had 2 BAD experiences in 1994 with them and will never be able to make myself use them again. Typical close range WV shots which floored both deer like a sledge hammer...cept they got up and took off never to be seen again. Both shoulder shots...these were with 165 gr 30-06.
I do have quite a good supply of the Nosler Solid Bases here now though. They do pretty daggone good on deer. So if the Ballistic tips are the same now they should be a good bullet but it would be a big leap for me to ever use one again.
03-06-2007, 03:01 PM
#25
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
tgh, sorry but had to shake the tree to get some response from you about your experiences with the rifle/loads
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The 180gr NBT will work just fine and shooting tiny groups will give you extra confidence with a virgin rifle! I know guys who have used the 180 NBT for moose and elk in 300's, not my first choice but they worked when kept off the shoulder on the entrance side.
G/L
!The 180gr NBT will work just fine and shooting tiny groups will give you extra confidence with a virgin rifle! I know guys who have used the 180 NBT for moose and elk in 300's, not my first choice but they worked when kept off the shoulder on the entrance side.
G/L
03-06-2007, 03:33 PM
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
ORIGINAL: skeeter 7MM
tgh, sorry but had to shake the tree to get some response from you about your experiences with the rifle/loads!
The 180gr NBT will work just fine and shooting tiny groups will give you extra confidence with a virgin rifle! I know guys who have used the 180 NBT for moose and elk in 300's, not my first choice but they worked when kept off the shoulder on the entrance side.
G/L
tgh, sorry but had to shake the tree to get some response from you about your experiences with the rifle/loads
!The 180gr NBT will work just fine and shooting tiny groups will give you extra confidence with a virgin rifle! I know guys who have used the 180 NBT for moose and elk in 300's, not my first choice but they worked when kept off the shoulder on the entrance side.
G/L
05-03-2007, 12:37 AM
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
I have used both in my 300 WM and my 30.06. Both performed fine on the deer I have shot but the Nosler BT were always more accurate. I won't use the Accubonds anymore just because of mediocre accuracy. The 150 gr Nosler BTis my favorite deer/antelope round.
My friend has a 300 WSM and 7mm-08 and found Accubonds to be disappointing in accuracy in both of his rifles too.
Irritates me that Winchester is dropping the Fail Safe that was a much better bullet than the Accubond, both in performance on game and accuracy.
My friend has a 300 WSM and 7mm-08 and found Accubonds to be disappointing in accuracy in both of his rifles too.
Irritates me that Winchester is dropping the Fail Safe that was a much better bullet than the Accubond, both in performance on game and accuracy.
05-03-2007, 05:59 AM
#28
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
ORIGINAL: spd522
I have used both in my 300 WM and my 30.06. Both performed fine on the deer I have shot but the Nosler BT were always more accurate. I won't use the Accubonds anymore just because of mediocre accuracy. The 150 gr Nosler BTis my favorite deer/antelope round.
My friend has a 300 WSM and 7mm-08 and found Accubonds to be disappointing in accuracy in both of his rifles too.
Irritates me that Winchester is dropping the Fail Safe that was a much better bullet than the Accubond, both in performance on game and accuracy.
I have used both in my 300 WM and my 30.06. Both performed fine on the deer I have shot but the Nosler BT were always more accurate. I won't use the Accubonds anymore just because of mediocre accuracy. The 150 gr Nosler BTis my favorite deer/antelope round.
My friend has a 300 WSM and 7mm-08 and found Accubonds to be disappointing in accuracy in both of his rifles too.
Irritates me that Winchester is dropping the Fail Safe that was a much better bullet than the Accubond, both in performance on game and accuracy.
Ishoot accubonds in all my rifles with the exception of one and that's a 30.06 which shoots Barnes 130gr TSX and the only reason i shoot those in that rifle was i wanted to shoot a lighter bullet. Not many people around here shoot BT's and the only person i know that does shootsthem in a 270 with very good results. He kills some nice deer every year and i've never once heard him say the bullet has failed to penetrate and exit. I have no doubt the BT is a good bullet because if not so many people wouldn't be using it.
05-03-2007, 03:28 PM
#29
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
Ridge the bt's I used were in the Federal Premium ammo, I believe they were a 1994 or 1995 production. I will give them another try one of these days but I bought up a pretty good supply of the solid bases and if the bt's now are the same thing I can see why everybody likes them. The solid bases group excellent in my 7-08 and my 270 and seem to do excellent on deer.
05-03-2007, 08:27 PM
#30
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RE: Ballistic Tip vs. Accubond
Isn't it funny how different guns seem to shoot one type/style better than others? My experience with the Accubonds in my 7-08 was that they shot amazingly better than the Partitions (140 gr.). Until I find something better, they will be my deer load. One thing I did notice this past season with the Accubonds was I didn't get the bang/flop that I used to get with the 139 Hornadys. I'll reserve further judgement until I whack a few more with the AB's.