So what was the 201 guy' s 5?[X(] Better to miss the 11 than the 8.

Hey you all... A 200 is not clean in my book. A 220 is " CLEAN" . And If you are really SHOOTING CONSISTANT you will be in that 11 ring instead of the 10. The guy that shot the 200 with no elevens is not a real scenario. The odds of hitting 20 10-rings without hitting the eleven is really slim.
Good Luck!

Scoring 11s is not a matter of skill, it is a matter of many things. You must have some skill at judging distance, knowing angles, shooting uphill, down hill, arrow speed, bow setup, knowing where the first arrow in the target, our fathers, hail Marys, arrow size, etc. If you think that it is all skill of the individual, trying shooting two arrows at each target and see if you can double your 11s when you have a high 11 count. Shooting 11s on this forum is the only place that anyone will ever come close to perfect, and any one shooting perfect is really just shooting the bull (not the bull' s eye either).

Adding one more point to the scoring possibillities led to far more ties. Plus archers who shot well were pushed out of placing without shooting a single 8 or five. ( it happens)
An 8 can be as far out off center as 16" and a 5 can be 3 1/2' off center or more. Who was more consistant or better shot?
I also understand that if you shoot 10s and not x' syou are still not in the center of the target. If you want to give out extra points for being in the center put in a golf tee and give him the extra point.

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LOL, try again bohntr

I agree with leaving the 11 Ring. [:-]

I' d like to see them do away with all of them and go back to simply 10, 8, 5 scoring. Less stress and more archers would feel they could compete at this level.

Sure there would be shootoffs, but isn' t that half the fun? What did we ever do back when the scoring was 10, 5???!!! Oh my god![&:][]

Answer---there were more people in the shootoffs, more people made a day of it and made new friends too, especially on the local level. Plus, it allows more people to compete at the " top" level-----instead of them being blown out by 40-50 points and having the same 10 shooters in the top every week (ho-hum), it gives more people more incentive to try and compete if they are that much closer to the top, thus they will keep coming back and numbers will grow . The local level shoot participation has dropped significantly in many areas simply because most do not have the time to become a " machine" and shoot 20 up each week. If they feel they cannot truly compete, they won' t be there, that simple. If the scoring is easier across the board, more of the average archers will come out of the woodwork and play. Doesn' t take Mr. Wizard to figure this one out... The Pros will still be there, but it may throw a little extra excitement onto things for them, as well... My feeling is that if the local participation continues to drop, eventually it will reach national level too, and soon it will all fade away... Gotta make it enticing for the average Joe bowhunter to come back out and play, and quit catering to the top 10% only! Otherwise that is all the IBO and ASA will eventually be left with, and soon that won' t be incentive enough for those even truly addicted.

Make the formats easier, make the overall experience as comfortable and as relaxing as hunting camp, and the numbers will grow back at local levels, and thus the national attendance will see the effects of this over a few years and the bigger shoots will prosper. Otherwise, IMHO the numbers will drop at national levels very soon also. (if they haven' t already) Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12

Pinwheel you hit the nail on the head with that statement.

I realy don' t think that the addition of the 11 or twelve ring is the reason of the fall in participation at local levels!! The 12 has been there forever in the ASA !! The 11 ring is not going to keep people from shooting if they realy want to. The local shoots as long as they are not a qualifier don' t have to even score the 11 or 12 ring. I recall a few years ago when you traveled to a shoot and there would be between 100 and 400 people at these events, however that may have been the only shoot that month within 50 to 100 miles of where you live. What I am saying is that, now we have 10 different shoots every weekend to choose from and everyone is shooting different places. You can only cut that pie so many times, and the pie is no larger than it was a few years ago, then the result is a smaller piece of the pie. And the 11 or 12 rings are not going to make that pie any smaller.. As far as those same 10 guys at the top week after week, I dont think it will change. I know some really good shooters that dont even turn in there score cards at local shoots for that reason. Heck, some dont even keep score except among there friends they are shooting with. Aim small miss small (IMO)