T_in_Pa3 what's your point ?

I think my point is quite obvious.

if it was obvious i would not have asked. my point is that unless you jog threw the woods you could not completely cover a square mile in a day. walking two or three miles threw the woods is not covering the area.

I know that the anti-Alts are bewildered now that their conspiracy theories are falling apart. Antlerless allocation reductions even before the proposed goal was reached. Whoodathunkit? Someone on this board predicted that reductions would come soon in troubled areas, Let's see, who was it ? Oh yea, it was me. It seems that the GC DOES in fact value hunters. HMMM!

I think T's point was quite clear as well. No, covering a square mile yourself to find 15 deer would be a pain. Lucky for us though deer actually use their legs to walk. They also follow routes to feeding and bedding areas that can be determined through "scouting". This enables you to locate a few spots where you have a good chance of seeing some deer which in turn would be considered "hunting". I hope that clarifies things a little.

In other words everything after the 2003 annual report is based on your personal interperetations. Thats fine you are entitled to those interpretations and you are entitled to your opinions. That doesn't, however make them undisputable facts and they are no more valid than anyone elses opinion who may wish to post it here.

So, once again, the last valid number we have is 12 dpsm. It is likely, in my opinion and obviously in your as well, that the density is down from that number. I stated that the number was likely to be higher than 5 and I stand by that. I am not qualified to calculate the number nor are you. You are also not qualified to conclude that a 44% reduction in the antlerless license allocation will result in a further reduction in density because you can only guess what it may be now.
Using your claculator to do your guessing does not make it more accurate.

Hunting for 15 deer in 640 acres ( a sqaure mile) would be challenging but certainly very possible. Of course it might mean spending some time observing their patterns, scouting etc. It might also planning strategically around pressure from others. Not to disparage anyone here, but one could expect that a hunter would have to expect to do more than just walk to his favorite stump before dawn on the Monday after Thanksgiving. I think thats what T meant, more or less.

As always you are entitled to your opinion ,which you can't support with facts , but you are not qualified to state that I am not qualified to reach the conclusions I id ,because you don't know me or the sources of information I might have.

Furthermore,don't blame me for the fact that the PGC is in a lock down mode and refuses to release the data like it did prior to 2004. When they anounced the anterless allocations there was no mention of how much the herd has been reduced and they have yet to release the 2004 ANNUal Wildlife Report even though the other reports are available on line for that year.

The 2005 anterless allocations are still the sixth highest number ever issued. When you factor in the effects of the concurrent season and extended seasons , the allocation is equivalent to the fourth highest anterless allocation so the slight reduction in the anterless allocations is nothing to cheer about.

Some vague hint that you are privy to facts not available to the rest of us just aint good enough. Till you prove otherwise, you are just another armchair biologist like most of us here.

I do know this, a 44% reduction in anything is generally not considered by most to be "insignificant"

bearklr i agree that "scouting" has to be done. and with the low number of deer it is the only way to "hunt". and this all works great if you are the only one in the area. but guess what your never the only one in the woods. and after the first day or two most patterns are out the door. i have harvested well over a hundred deer over the years and i didn't do it sitting on a stump. so i think you guys got me mixed up with someone from your dreams. anymore the deer hunting has started to remind me of turkey hunting. being that when the word gets out that some deer have been spotted in an area the hunters come out in groups. maybe some of you guys are happy getting a deer every few years but i actually shoot them to eat not just to end their life. or to be thrown in the freezer just to be put in the garbage can the following fall.