Charlie P

NYBH, I have a couple stands you might want to try out.

NY Bowhunter

I'm there brother!! I'll be glad to trade some turkeys for deer anytime! Funny thing on the way to the golf course this morning I got pissed at outdoors. I saw more deer this morning than I think I saw in the last 2 seasons lol.

SteveBNy

NY Bowhunter

Sent some of ours north today

Later

Steve

atlasman

Chip about what?

atlasman

My usual stomping grounds has a few more camps since the old days and opening day gun is a borderline fiasco some years but other then that it is about the same with archery being sparse......usually just me and my brothers, maybe another truck or two well down the road......muzzleloader never seen another hunter I think.


We are very much the same in our beliefs outdoors........just of opposite views. You choose to believe the DEC because you have more faith in their tactics then you do in the comments of hunters in the field.......which is fair because you say you know more about the DEC then some hunter you never even met. I on the other hand tend not to believe the DEC because I don't have intimate knowledge of what they do or how they do it......other then what they tell me and post on the net and in the yearly writings.......it is a matter of trust really...........and I prefer to trust what is real vs what someone says. Me and my family have seen a gradual erosion of the deer numbers in and around our area for years now and with very few exceptions all the people we speak with have the same opinions.....hunters, shops, taxidermists, clubs.....you name it. They all just shake their heads when someone mentions deer numbers. There is no way that the DEC can be correct if that many people are in agreement as to what is really going on in the woods for hundreds of miles in every direction, multiple counties, different zones, all seasons.


You don't..........just like I don't know if you know the first thing about the DEC or what and how they do things.






Agreed............but they are treading on thin ice with this one because this will have the most dramatic effect on your avg Joe weekend hunter..........which is a huge part of that number. Trophy hunters can take it upon themselves and do QDM till the cows come home if they want and just ignore the DEC and be happy............but avg Joe who depends on state land because he doesn't own his own is not gonna keep going out and beating his head against the trees year after year without seeing any deer.

Cater to the masses...........simple math.


Never said you should take it as gospel.........just don't dismiss it as garbage without even considering it and say "The DEC knows what's going on.....you don't"

devillfishvoice

Hey NYBowhunter, I'd love to get back up that way hunting some toms, heck Auburn isn't but an hour from here, (Elmira) I used to hunt around that way, Cato, Hannibal, I graduated from Moravia High school, so I would feel right at home.. I saw some good spots for deer this morning hung a stand I think it's got your name on it

atlasman

Well, I don't know anybody that didn't get 2 doe tags last year....or the year before.....or the year before.

atlasman

Huh???



OK well I expect to see that in all the woods the DEC tells me are overflowing with deer also..........but I don't.

What if you didn't see it??


Well the DEC must think we have all kinds of deer around here because you can get as many tags as you are willing to pay for every year and while deer sign can always be found (they are extinct) there is definately no signs of overbrowsing.

So you would hunt a plot of land for weeks straight without seeing a single deer and still believe it is full of whitetails??



That would be a lot more exceptable if the process was a more sudden drop off........WOW all he sudden there are not many deer around. Then something has changed..........but a gradual erosion of numbers when the surrounding enviornment remains unchanged is just not the same situation. There is plenty of food to sustain the deer......in fact I would say more then years ago.

There is no doubt in my mind that the deer just aren't there in the numbers they used to be. We know just about every truck on every road for a couple miles from being there so many years and no one is seeing them..........even if some were seeing them and others not I would say it could be anything. With no one seeing them like we used to there is only one explanation that comes to mind.........and it isn't that every deer figured out how to avoid the hunters.

Charlie P

Atlas, Where is it you hunt again?

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