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Old 09-27-2009 | 07:38 AM
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Bow $600
Arrows $80
Camo $200
Treestand $200


Making some lazy Green county goober jumpin ugly jealous by using hard work, dedication, pereseverance and skills learned the hard way to "buy" a buck...................

PRICELESS!!!!
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Old 09-27-2009 | 07:51 AM
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First of all, to include elk in that statement is just plain silly. Efforts to grow the elk population and improve the habitat in that area have been ongoing and have little to do with the changes in the deer herd.
If you would have read the PGC's report on our elk you would realize that during the winter they browse the same clearcuts that the deer use and in the summer the deer eat the same grasses and forbes as the elk eat.

You have the right to buy land and start you own deer farm and promote ridiculous numbers if you wish. Consequently, Your neighbor has the right to line up hunters along his border with you and let em shoot all deer that cross over. You no NOT have the right to dictate the deer densities for the rest of us and like it or not, it is the PGC's job to manage those densities for the everyone in the state. Not just for a few guys who now have to hunt a little harder.
It doesn't get much dumber than that !! With heavy hunting pressure on the adjoining land the deer driven onto the posted ground with much less hunting pressure, so the adjoining property owners wouldn't be able to control the herd by hunting.

So who should determine the acceptable deer density in any given WMU and what should that density be for 2B? Should the farmers in 5C and 5B determine the deer density in those WMU's or should the suburban home owner determine the density? Do you really want the non-hunting stakeholders determining the local deer densities? If you do you are dumber than I thought.

BTW, you always ask me to provide a solution, so what is your solution for letting non-hunting stakeholders to establish deer densities?

Also, can you tell us who is responsible for preventing the PGC from managing the herd in 2B and 5C at the goal DD for at least the last 20 years?

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Old 09-27-2009 | 08:08 AM
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"Bow $600
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Camo $200
Treestand $200"

I aint talking bout those costs btb. Hell , I gotcha beat on all that. Bow set up 1200+ Arrows bout the same, camo well over 200 in several sets. About 20 treestands. lol.

Heck I prolly have around $200 just in lure alone.

But one thing you should remember btb..... You can buy everything under the sun. You can pay to be taken by the hand. You can even hunt completely unfair chase if you prefer....But you cant buy skill.
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Old 09-27-2009 | 08:10 AM
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"PRICELESS!!!!'

Clearly not talking about any deer you have harvested. lmao.






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Old 09-27-2009 | 03:35 PM
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BTW, you always ask me to provide a solution, so what is your solution for letting non-hunting stakeholders to establish deer densities?

Also, can you tell us who is responsible for preventing the PGC from managing the herd in 2B and 5C at the goal DD for at least the last 20 years?
I have no need to present my solution because I am not claiming that everything is being done wrong.

As for 2B (unlike you, I wont try to analyze an area I dont know)
individual control of private property and safety concerns are the limiting factors.

Of course your asking those questions was simply a dodge because you were confronted with the reality of the fact that you dont care enough about your own deer hunting to work to make it better. Your solution is to blame the PGC for everything that you dont like while some hunters care enough to take control of their own situation and deal with it.
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Old 09-27-2009 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornelius08
"Bow $600
Arrows $80
Camo $200
Treestand $200"

I aint talking bout those costs btb. Hell , I gotcha beat on all that. Bow set up 1200+ Arrows bout the same, camo well over 200 in several sets. About 20 treestands. lol.

Heck I prolly have around $200 just in lure alone.

But one thing you should remember btb..... You can buy everything under the sun. You can pay to be taken by the hand. You can even hunt completely unfair chase if you prefer....But you cant buy skill.
Yep, you cant buy skill, though it appears from that post that you're trying to compensate for a lack thereof with dollar bills.

The rage and frustration in your posts about how bad the hunting is in PA while you sit in the middle of one of the best WMU's in the states tells us way more than any wild and crazy claims you try and make about others that you dont even know.

By your continued unfounded claims, you simply are painting a picture of yourself that exposes an immense amount of frustration with whats lacking in your deer hunting. Your ego and self cenetered attitude which is obvious to us in your posts betrays any illusion that you are crusading on behalf of "your fellow hunters" You're simply unhappy that your deer hunting isnt as easy as you think it ought to be. It is indeed very sad that your anger and frustration has clouded your thinking that you now have to pull you own ego up by concocting stories about others.

Its obvious to the whole world that your delusions of granduer wont let you accept that anyone who has succeeded where you've OBVIOUSLY failed could have done it fairly. That is indeed very sad for you.
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Old 09-27-2009 | 04:14 PM
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"Yep, you cant buy skill,"

Not sure what all the other "anger induced" nonsennse in your post was all about, But as for replacing skill with cash, some guys sure try like hell dont they chief lmao.
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Old 09-27-2009 | 04:23 PM
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As for 2B (unlike you, I wont try to analyze an area I dont know)
individual control of private property and safety concerns are the limiting factors.

Thanks for admitting that the very stake holders that you say the PGC should address their concerns, are the ones that are preventing the PGC from addressing their concerns.

Of course your asking those questions was simply a dodge because you were confronted with the reality of the fact that you dont care enough about your own deer hunting to work to make it better. Your solution is to blame the PGC for everything that you dont like while some hunters care enough to take control of their own situation and deal with it.
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That is pure nonsense. In my area where the deer have unlimited food sources there is very little one can do to make hunting better,especially with the intense hunting pressure we have. Of course I could be a selfish ,self centered hunter and post the land and keep it all for my wife and me and tell my brother-in-laws and their wives to find someplace else to hunt. I suppose in your opinion that would make me a real hunter like you.
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"Of course I could be a selfish ,self centered hunter and post the land and keep it all for my wife and me and tell my brother-in-laws and their wives to find someplace else to hunt. I suppose in your opinion that would make me a real hunter like you. "


That seems to be EXACTLY what he is saying, and thats EXACTLY what the failed deer program encourages. You want deer decent deer hunting, they believe you should have to lease or buy your own land because everywhere else is going as low as they can take them and to hell with anyone who doesnt like it.

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Old 09-27-2009 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2
Thanks for admitting that the very stake holders that you say the PGC should address their concerns, are the ones that are preventing the PGC from addressing their concerns.
The forces in 2B that keep the harvest restricted are mostly businesses and homeowners. they dont really care beyond their backyards. Thats not the same as a farmer having his crops mauled or a timber company having to spend ridiculous amounts of money on fences. Once again, you take part of the picture and try to apply it to the whole state


That is pure nonsense. In my area where the deer have unlimited food sources there is very little one can do to make hunting better,especially with the intense hunting pressure we have. Of course I could be a selfish ,self centered hunter and post the land and keep it all for my wife and me and tell my brother-in-laws and their wives to find someplace else to hunt. I suppose in your opinion that would make me a real hunter like you.
No, you are simply not willing to move to another hunting area, you have told us time and again that deer scouting is a waste of time, You've compared planting food plots to buying a deer....you simply want to stay put, make no effort, and stubbornly blame the PGC because your hunting isnt what you think it ought to be.
Kicking others off the property wont make you a real hunter. It's a bit more involved than that and you've proven over and over by your posts that you dont have what it takes and you refuse to to expend any effort to either improve your situation or even learn how.
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