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Old 09-19-2009, 01:01 PM
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State Bowhunter and Muzzleloader Associations Compile Joint Southern Zone Deer Season Proposal
Canandaigua, NY - 9/18/09 - New York Bowhunters, Inc. (NYB) and the New York State Muzzleloader Association (NYSMLA) have been working jointly for several months on a southern zone deer season proposal that allows both parties to meet their objectives. Copies of the proposal have been sent to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, Bureau of Wildlife (DEC) and other Sportsmen’s organization throughout New York State.
The DEC desires to increase the harvest of antlerless deer in their effort to effectively manage the whitetail deer herd as well as allow for a weekend of early hunting opportunity for junior big game firearms hunters. The NYSMLA wishes to have an early “primitive” muzzleloading season and NYB seeks to restore lost hunting opportunity that occurred with the implementation of the 2005 big game restructuring regulations. Therefore, both organizations reached out to one another to work on a sensible proposal that would be acceptable to firearms hunters, muzzleloader hunters, bowhunters, the DEC and to the general public. The timing of the proposal coincides with the DEC’s scheduling of public meetings this September and October regarding the state of the deer herds in New York.
The DEC recently scheduled public meetings in an effort to “capture the issues that are important to sportsmen, particularly as they relate to bag limits, season structure and tag options. We (DEC) hope to receive feedback from meeting participants that helps us (DEC) prioritize the issues that are important for NYS deer hunters and the public” stated DEC Wildlife Biologist Jeremy Hurst. Information on these meetings can be found by going to the DEC website at http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/57795.html.
The NYB/NYSMLA joint proposal would restructure the southern zone hunting seasons as follows;
· open the 23-day regular firearms season on the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
· open the early archery season on October 1st, ending on the Friday prior to the beginning of the regular firearms season.
· Allow for a weekend of junior (ages 14 & 15) big game hunting opportunity on the weekend prior to the opening of the regular firearms season.
· open a 5-day antlerless-only “primitive” muzzleloading season on the Monday prior to the beginning of the regular firearms season, ending on the Friday prior to the beginning of the regular firearms season.
NYB President, Gary Socola stated, “The DEC follows a progression of weaponry in the northern zone, starting with archery season, muzzleloader season and then progressing into the regular firearms season. The NYB/MYSMLA proposal follows the precedence already set by the DEC.” Socola indicated that he has records over the past two years showing that bowhunters have sent over 8,000 letters and signatures on petitions to DEC Commissioner Pete Grannis asking that the DEC open the early southern zone archery season on October 1st. “I’ve heard people complain that bowhunters are greedy and that they kill all of the bucks prior to the firearms season”. Not true says Socola, “Statistically bowhunters take a very small percentage of bucks when compared to the regular firearms season take. In my 31 years of bowhunting experience, I have never met a more sharing and caring group of hunters.” If we want to “harvest more antlerless deer and expose new hunters to the outdoors, why are we taking early season bowhunting time away from archers and at the same time increasing their license and permit fees, asked Socola?”
New York States 2009 southern zone early archery season is the latest opening date in the Northeast states Socola, “let’s get our youth, seniors, persons of disability and all hunters out earlier in the season so that they can enjoy our natural resources in better weather while helping the DEC control our expanding deer herd.” The states of Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Ohio, and Virginia all have early archery season opening dates in September. Maine opens up on October 1st in most areas, Pennsylvania and Vermont open on October 3rd and Massachusetts on October 12th. Having an archery season opening date on a Saturday is not as critical for bowhunters as it is for firearms hunters. An October 1 opening date is an easily recognizable date and also coincides with the DEC’s licensing year.
Socola added, ”Let’s not forget that the economic impact of hunters being afield for additional hunting days would add a huge influx of funds into the states sagging economy. More time afield has a direct correlation to monies spent.” According to a US Fish and Wildlife Service 2006 National Survey of Hunting, Fishing and Wildlife, New York’s 1.2 million hunters and anglers spent $5 million a day for a total of $1.8 billion. Annual spending by New York’s sportsmen is equal to the combined cash receipts for dairy products and apples, two of the top agricultural commodities in the state ($1.8 billion).
NYSMLA President, Bill Brookover (Black Powder Bill) is excited about the possibilities this proposal offers. “The NYSMLA has tried for over 10 years to get a primitive muzzleloader season in the southern zone. This proposal will allow us to do that and also allows provisions for the youth and for bowhunters. Bowhunters and muzzleloader hunters are not at odds with one another in New York State. This is not a hunter issue but a season issue created by the DEC’s current season structuring. By working together, our organizations are showing sportsmen throughout New York State that we can put aside any differences and work together towards our common goals.”
Pennsylvania (PA) has had an early muzzleloader season since 2000. The PA early muzzleloader season regulation states “Those wishing to hunt deer during the flintlock muzzleloading and muzzleloading seasons are limited to single-barrel long guns manufactured prior to 1800 or a similar reproduction.” PA also offers a special firearms season for junior and senior hunter. “Brookover states “Our joint proposal will allow the youth and seniors a chance to hunt in better weather. With the NYSMLA/ NYB proposal, kids can strike out after school for a late afternoon bow hunt because of the later sunset time. The antler-less primitive week will give families a chance to work together as a team instead of dropping Papa, Sally Mae & Jr. off at tree stands 200 yards apart. You’ll not see a dozen hunters driving deer through a block of woods either.”
The straightforward proposal will allow increased hours a field during warmer weather with a sunset later in the day and provide a regular firearms season pre-Thanksgiving weekend opener. What better week to start the regular season? Many hunters are off the following Thursday & Friday and can take off the whole week using only three additional vacation days. Brookover added, “Our proposal will provide more and often more agreeable - deer hunting opportunities for families, kids, seniors, persons with physical disabilities and just about every hunter across the board.”
New York Bowhunters, Inc. was formed in 1991 to promote bowhunting, educate hunters and non-hunters, and to fight anti-hunting legislation. NYB annually runs youth archery camps, a physically challenged program and supports special projects such as the “Gift Boxes for Troops” and helped establish an archery range for troops serving in Iraq.
The New York State Muzzle-loaders Association was born from the Tryon County Militia in 1977 and is "dedicated to the continuing support of black powder events, people, and legislation." The NYSMLA has over 40 affiliated clubs throughout New York State. The NYSMLA has 6 major events in 2009. The first event was the "Primitive Snowshoe Biathlon” held in March and the last will be the 18th annual "Primitive Rendezvous & Hunt." The Rendezvous will be held just outside Inlet, NY at the Moose River Plains wilderness area October 9th - 16th with Visitors day Sunday October 11th 10:00am till 5:00 pm.
NYB can be contacted by phone at 585-905-0961 or by email at [email protected] or check out their website at http://www.newyorkbowhunters.com/. For information about the NYSMLA contact them at NYSMLA Inc., 200 Clifford Drive, Vestal, NY 13850 or by email at [email protected] or 315-524-3457 or by checking out their website at http://www.nysmla.org/. - END -


Unacceptable to me . Of the less then 3000 (out of 200,000 NYS bowhunters) members they have, I'll bet not 20 knew of this before the release of this article. Steve

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Old 09-19-2009, 03:28 PM
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I believe that the earliest this will take place is NEXT year's hunting season.
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Old 09-19-2009, 04:03 PM
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That would be true.

I checked both org's website's - neither has any info on it at all.
Why the secret??

I'l bet not 20 of NYB's 3000< members (out of 200,000+ bowhunters) have heard anything about it.
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Old 09-20-2009, 07:15 AM
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What is the definition of a primitive muzzleloader season? can you use any muzzleloader or is it restricted to flintlocks or truly "traditional" equipment. I have a inline muzzleloader and there is nothing primitive or traditional about it-Its essentially a rifle. I think the 2 day wknd season for kids is a good idea although i dont know how much participation it will recieve. As an avid bowhunter i like the longer season but am not sure i would trade the first two weeks in oct. for essentially losing the last week of bow season before gun season opens in Nov. That week is my favorite time to bowhunt and have had alot of success that week. I would be concerned of people just using this as another week of gun hunting esp. since that week is usually full tilt rut. I am not so sure someone sitting there with a muzzleloader is shooting does only when there tends to be a buck behind every doe in the woods that week. I personally would rather have an early muzzleloader season in early/middle oct. and leave the week before gun season alone.
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Old 09-21-2009, 03:52 AM
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Well, I think this is typically the way things work in NYS. You have these so called "sportsman's" groups going to the DEC and they somehow make it look as if they are the voice of ALL hunters in NYS. Same thing happened with the antler restrictions that were proposed for some new WMU this past spring. It was a few "sportman's" groups that were making the most noise about it. I hunt in one of those WMU's and surely no one asked me my opinion about it before it was proposed or anytime during the decision process. Getting back to the issue in this post. I don't know. I think there would be too much pressure on the deer if you had a firearms youth hunt and then a muzzleloader week just before the regular gun season. I think if there is going to be a muzzleloader season where in-lines were allowed then it would be best to have it in mid to late october. Maybe a 3 or 4 day season covering a weekend would be sufficient for this. I don't know if I like the idea of a youth hunt either. Plenty of grown-ups would be popping deer with a kid in tow. A kid could just as easily hunt during the regular season. Really NO need for another special season.
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Old 09-21-2009, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve863 View Post
Well, I think this is typically the way things work in NYS. You have these so called "sportsman's" groups going to the DEC and they somehow make it look as if they are the voice of ALL hunters in NYS. Same thing happened with the antler restrictions that were proposed for some new WMU this past spring. It was a few "sportman's" groups that were making the most noise about it. I hunt in one of those WMU's and surely no one asked me my opinion about it before it was proposed or anytime during the decision process. Getting back to the issue in this post. I don't know. I think there would be too much pressure on the deer if you had a firearms youth hunt and then a muzzleloader week just before the regular gun season. I think if there is going to be a muzzleloader season where in-lines were allowed then it would be best to have it in mid to late october. Maybe a 3 or 4 day season covering a weekend would be sufficient for this. I don't know if I like the idea of a youth hunt either. Plenty of grown-ups would be popping deer with a kid in tow. A kid could just as easily hunt during the regular season. Really NO need for another special season.
heres a first!!! Steve i agree with you on this one!! Mid october would definitely be the time to do this and agree a 3-4 day period would be sufficient. As far as the youth deal i think anything that affords a kid a chance to have a good oppurtunity to hunt is a good idea but agree that greedy adults mite be the ones who benefit more from this!! I really dont like the idea of placing this season rite smack dab in the middle of the rut-way to much temptation to shoot bucks that could be following the doe the hunter should be taking. So does anyone really know what it means by a primitive muzzleloading season? Is any muzzleloader permitted or is it only for true traditional muzzleloaders? I just dont get why they (NYS) constantly have to change things. I am perfectly happy with how the seasons are now.
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Originally Posted by rh160kid View Post
As an avid bowhunter i like the longer season but am not sure i would trade the first two weeks in oct. for essentially losing the last week of bow season before gun season opens in Nov.
The article says:
-open the 23-day regular firearms season on the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
-open the early archery season on October 1st, ending on the Friday prior to the beginning of the regular firearms season.


This looks to me as if we would not lose that week of bowhunting. It says ending on the Friday prior to the regular firearms season. If the firearms season opens on Saturday then the bow season should end the day before. At least thats how I read it. I am more concerned with the youth hunt 1 weekend before the gun season. I agree that greedy adults will use this as a chance to just hunt earlier and tow their kids along for show. The youth hunt should be in early to mid October, or even in mid to late September.
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Originally Posted by jimbodwb View Post
The article says:
-open the 23-day regular firearms season on the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
-open the early archery season on October 1st, ending on the Friday prior to the beginning of the regular firearms season.


This looks to me as if we would not lose that week of bowhunting. It says ending on the Friday prior to the regular firearms season. If the firearms season opens on Saturday then the bow season should end the day before. At least thats how I read it. I am more concerned with the youth hunt 1 weekend before the gun season. I agree that greedy adults will use this as a chance to just hunt earlier and tow their kids along for show. The youth hunt should be in early to mid October, or even in mid to late September.
Yeah the wording is kinda vague as to when bow seqason would actually close. Even if its still open that week, if the woods are goin to be open to hunters with any inline muzzleloader the last week is lost imo. They mite as well just say gun season is opening a week earlier bcuz i fear alot will look at it as bein just that.
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I am a NYB member. On 9/18 I rec'd a letter from NYB about this very proposal. So obviously NYB is contacting its members. Plus NYB is doing this proposal before the scheduled DEC meetings. I don't see the problem. All I see is more bashing of a organization that continues to work for hunters. NYB joins forces with the Muzzleloader Assoc. again showing how willing they are to help, and work with others. But for this they get grief. It seems no matter what they do for hunters they get bashed by some, and its getting old.
I for one like the proposal. Its a increased opportunity for our youth, something this state has to take steps towards. Its a increase opportunity for primitive muzzleloaders in the earlier Southern Tier. Its increased opportunity for bowhunters. Wheres the problem? I love the idea of a youth wknd. I like the idea of a primitive wk of muzzleloading. Being primitive only, won't just turn that wk into a early extension of the Reg. season. Much like its become in the North with Inlines, and scopes. A Oct. 1st archery opener would be great, heck I'd been happy with a Sat. before Columbus day proposal for archers.
This is a great proposal above, and beyond anything the DEC has done for hunters. The DEC increased our license fee's for the 09-10 season. Like many I paid $30 more for the same opportunity I had last season. If more hunting opportunity had been a part of that increase I'd have NO complaint. I also think its great 2 darn good organizations are working together to do something the DEC fails to. Maybe the DEC will finally listen, but I have serious doubts.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:17 AM
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WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A PRIMITIVE ONLY SEASON??? are inlines considered primitive in this proposal?? I dont necessarily like the dates chosen thats all. Put it in the middle of Oct. not the week before the regular season. I would be just as happy if the season dates and regs were just left alone. thats my oppinion.
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