You are making my point for me.

4evrhtn, you make the point! Because the rules were followed, not your bitchin and moaning about some 90% of some number who responded. The discussions were held it was passed. Now you are conspiracy theorizing about money and not listening. They did listen, you couldn't prove your point to the exclusion of Xbow. Period end. You don't like it change the system, don't attack the hunter.As far as PA blood hell I wore black and gold diapers my friend. I am from Pittsburgh, and recently transferred to Ohio. You lost, go get it back using the proper voting or using some legal channels that maybe your selfish points of view are heard . Because they (BOC) didn't vote your way they obviously were payed off , huh? Just that attack tactics that probably pissed em' off enough to vote against your little 90% of some number who cared ot respond bow organization. So now let's attack the hunters them selves, man that will get you a lot of support! Most of the people on here will compromise to some extent on game mangement plans, but when you start this crap about lazy, pay offs, non hunters etc. you do nothing but ,make it harder for anyone who is really listening to hear or act upon your message. Reorg boy and get the exclusion the right way. I say the majority of 900K hunters didn't care enough, didn't see a problem with inclusion. If the numbers were as vast and overwhelming about 'no way' as you guys keep spouting 90% 90% it would never have been passed and probably laughed at as the Atlal (spear) was when it was put up for a vote. If your saying PA has been bought and paid for when it comes to the PAPGC or BOC, then look at your state representatives and get the vote out and change the appointees and or your politicians. Do not, Do not blame the hunters, it is legal, not illegal, voted on passed and inlcuded in the 2009-2010 license year. Call me anything you want, it was discussed publicly twice at least in depth, emails and petitions sent, phone calls opinions were heard and a vote or actually 2 votes were made FOR INCLUSION! We challenged the system and won, your turn! Challenge the system if you guys truly are right and 90% of some number cares enough to vote out these on the take rapscallions then you have truly made the overall hunting populations voice heard. Otherwise you guys are just unhappy that your little boys club was not listened to so let's cry and kick at all the hunters who won the inclusion. Who had the voice that obviously was heard and enacted upon. Bad bad Xbow hunters!

The hardcore antis repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot by making all sorts of statements and accusations that range from whiney and hypocritical to outright crazy. Then they wonder why they are getting steamrolled in terms of crossbow inclusion in state after state. Many people who are on the fence about crossbows will read a thread like this and support inclusion just to shut some of these folks up

"getting steamrolled in terms of crossbow inclusion in state after state."

How many states currently have full inclusion? Not as many states out of 50 that Id call "steamrolled in state after state" lol.

Only reason they were legalized here (and im not currently debating wether they shouldve been or not) is because we had and have ecoextremist antideer nuts on our boc who saw an opportunity to increase harvest and more cash from archery license sales. All one need do is look at the names voting "yea" since day one and it pretty much tells the tale. Pallone...Hill...Shleiden...Putnam....etc. Same folks who are 100% antideer, 100% ecoextremist ardent supporters who didnt belong on a GAME management board period. I have little doubt theyd have most likely voted for deer contraception as well if that were an available option and to be voted on.

4ever dont let boilmaker get to you! OH. hunters just do not have the same tradition, heritage or have the same passion about hunting as we have here in PA., they have very few hunters and their average hunter doesnt spend or want to spend alot of time in the woods hunting and or scouting, so it makes sense that the majority of them would choose a weapon where they can shoot 3 or 4 shots prior to the season and go hunting.
The first day of gun season out there I always have to keep looking down at my weapon to be sure that it is gun season and by tuesday night or wed morning I-70 and 77 are full of vehicles of hunters heading back to cleveland. Pike

Lanse; my only concern about this,is the total harvest in buck kills this is going to bring.You know as well as I do,since the reduction in the herd. We have for the last couple years,have been getting a growing number of complaints from the firearm deer hunters about the archery hunters season is to long,that archery hunters are taken out the buck before they breed and there is much fewer for the firearm hunters when their time comes. Now with 40 thousand more(and growing) archery hunters this year.
Accomplished vertical archers switching to crossbows. How can anyone say,there will not be an increase in the kill and that's the main point. The slightest increase in buck kills,is going to have the firearm hunters in a rage. So what happens next? A shorter gun season. A shorter archery season. Do we take out the early muzzle loader and rifle season. Cut down on the doe tags? Something will have to change and the firearm hunters will demand it.

Once again you choose to not look at the obvious. First if the PAGC wasn't a "private organization" we would have a voice in who is where but we don't.

As far as profit driven agendas. I will let our PA Hunting Digest paint the picture... Open the Digest..... Four of the first Four product specific ads are promoting the sale of what???? CROSSBOWS!!!! You don't even have to read, just look at the pictures to avoid any further confusion trying to translate English into Imbecile. When Crossbow ads dominate total product specific ads by such a large degree how can anyone claim "conspiracy theory? It is right there in color pictures for you. This was a profit driven agenda from conception and has absolutely no value from a game management standpoint. There isn't a need to include a new weapon when the majority of the state is in a stabilization program.

Hey Pike,, he isn't getting to me, I enjoy this!

PA Hunitng Digest, called marketing! If it is a foregone conclusion that Xbows are being included in building the new hunting heritage, despite fringe efforts (90% of some number) you create advertisement to meet the needs of the new hunting heritage..

Marketing, huh? No kidding! Really? Is that what it's called? I guess that refutes my previous statement about this being profit driven since conception.
Look up the word HERITAGE, I believe you are trying to label this new inclusion as having history to show more validity to your opinion. Without a history it cannot be a Heritage. Hunting heritage is something Pa has that no other state has in equal. Our state's heritage has always been rooted in tradition not innovation. If we had a heritage of incorporating new methods of hunting we wouldn't be so far behind other states in terms of hunting on Sunday, Baiting, etc. Baiting will be next but only for whitetail deer, don't even think for a second we will be permitted to bait Black Bear or Turkeys. Once baiting is allowed will that then be heritage as well? I mean, if we must make archery hunting easier why not go this next step?

Xbow has a long heritage! A longer one than a compund bow. It is starting to build a new one in PA? What did you miss? Again it was voted in, the PAPGC and BOC and obviously hunters and everyone else but you and your ilk new it was being voted in as an additional opportunity for hunting in PA. So now because everyone else saw the light and your little group of merry men didn't you again cry foul, we are supposed to just quit? This type reasoning was one of the reasons you lost in the first place.