My qdm plan proposal for pa. Is reserve the last 50,000 tags for the crossbow hunters. (it just makes good sense)

And the facts always bring the same response from you!

YAAWWWWWNNNNN!!!!!

same old same old

Yeah yeah, we've all heard that everything wrong in PA is the PGC's fault and anything good in PA is an accident.

It's the PGC who pulls the trigger on the does where there are few left

Now it's an accident where the DMP has produced better quality deer in less quantity and we all know you think you got the numbers to "prove" it

BTW, the deer quality and the hunting is much better in 2F as well. No incidental man made sanctuaries there. Two things brought that on. 1 fewer hunters each year, a trend that started long before the current DMP. 2 We've finally got the numbers under control and the forest now supports a healthier herd. We all know you cant see that on your computer screen, but those of us who hunt and have property in 2F can see it plain as day.

But statewide herd reduction plus DMAP produced a 5% decrease in breeding rates ,a decrease in productivity and a 40% reduction in the buck harvest.

If the herd is so healthy in 2F, why does rank below 15 other WMUs in embryos /adult female , which is the accepted measure of deer health. Why is herd health in 2G much higher even though the forest health is poor in 2G and fair in 2F? If you know half as much as you think you know the answers to those questions should be easier. Let's see if you can handle them.

yada yada yada!!!

Same old same old

The deer in 2F are better than they were! And better than theyve been in my 40 years hunting there.
The 2F hunters that are on here have resoundingly stated that as well.
I didnt compare them to the rest of the state but while you've admitted to never having set foot in 2F you still try to twist things once again.

Hunting is what you make of it. Your hunting is what you've made of it. Here's some things you've stated in the past...some of your "facts"

You've claimed scouting is a waste of time except for just before the season.

You've admitted you've not killed a buck in years, the last one you did kill was crippled and had to be put down

You've claimed you see very few deer where you hunt but you refuse to hunt elsewhere

You admitted to your gang killing 6 antlerless deer (5 of which were button bucks) in a single season because that's all you saw but hey, it's the PGC's fault for giving you those tag, right?

like I said, same old same old.

Maybe if you got out there and scouted some new territory or started asking around you'd find a place with some deer in spite of the PGC.

When or if you do find some deer, try not to shoot em all just because you have the tags and thats all you see. Exercise a little restraint and maybe the new spot wont be as bleak as the one your gang obviously stomped out.

That is a flat out lie since I have hunted in what is now 2F.

The point is there is no reason why I should have to move to a new area ,since we have some of the best deer habitat in the state. How many areas of the state do you know that have more deer than in 5C that are under hunted. The fact is the hunting is hard in my area because we have a lot of land that is open to hunting and is subject to a lot of hunting pressure. If I wanted to be a selfish ,self centered trophy hunter I would lease the neighbors farm, post it solid and have good hunting for my wife and me. But I am not that desperate to kill a trophy or any buck for that matter.

since 2002?

Nope, no reason to move. You just keep right on complaining while getting the same results. I beleive that someone once defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I also notice that you have no response for your part in the low deer numbers where you hunt. Did the PGC pull the trigger for you and your guys when you shot "the only deer you saw"????


As for open land, there aint too many bigger chunks of open land than the ANF which makes up darn near half of 2F. Things are just fine up there in the2F "no deer" land for those of us that still HUNT it. It's even good enough that an enetrprising local makes a living as an outfitter putting his clients on public land!
here's his link...
http://www.alleghenywildernessoutfitter.com/

BTW is scouting still a waste of time or are we close enough to the season now? LOL

The difference is I don't expect different results. I accept the fact that the PGC is mis -managing our herd and there is nothing I can do to change that.

It doesn't get much more ignorant than that. The hunters of PA rely on the PGC to manage the herd and you have to be a complete ignoramus to expect individual hunters to be responsible for managing the herd.

if one is satisfied with any legal deer there is really no reason to do preseason scouting. Some of us seasoned hunters are willing to accept whatever nature provides.

I think were getting the picture now....

Early December
BB2 to his buddy: Doggone PGC, I aint seen a deer all day. I bet there aint more than a couple left in this whole area.
Hey, look, here comes a doe and a fawn! you take the fawn, I'll take the doe......BLAM BLAM BLAM..... Oh heck, the little one's a button buck! Curse the PGC for making us do that! Darned PGC! now they're probably all gone!!


Based on your level of success seeing deer, I'd rethink that strategy

"I accept the fact that the PGC is mis -managing our herd and there is nothing I can do to change that."

I dont think thats gonna be changing anytime soon either. The enviro-nuts have a strangle hold on our sport via deer management currently. Wonder what is taking the scam audit so long? It only takes about 10 seconds to ink up and rubber stamp.