PA doe tags Going Going..... soon to be gone!!!
07-14-2009, 06:09 PM
#13
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 522
"I have a camp next door to me that has 10 members. Every one of them applies for a 2G tag and many of them get picked. They haven't shot a doe in 8 years, don't intend to shoot doe, and would kick out any member that would shoot a doe.
I imagine this scenario plays out pretty often and contributes greatly to the quick sale of 2G tags."
Could be? What do you figure the ratio is of guys on the "buy a tag, save a doe" program, to the number that buy 'em and use 'em?
I imagine this scenario plays out pretty often and contributes greatly to the quick sale of 2G tags."
Could be? What do you figure the ratio is of guys on the "buy a tag, save a doe" program, to the number that buy 'em and use 'em?
07-15-2009, 03:21 AM
#15
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 701
I have a camp next door to me that has 10 members. Every one of them applies for a 2G tag and many of them get picked. They haven't shot a doe in 8 years, don't intend to shoot doe, and would kick out any member that would shoot a doe.
I imagine this scenario plays out pretty often and contributes greatly to the quick sale of 2G tags.
I imagine this scenario plays out pretty often and contributes greatly to the quick sale of 2G tags.
I have not hunted Pa for 2 years, But I have a draw full of tags from the past 10 years i never intended on using. Many clubs buy all they can and burn them. I think I have probably around 100 5c tags still in the envelopes laying around from years past I think if there were only 200 doe allowed shot in Pa. and the PGC would put 100,000 tags on sale they would all be sold thats just the way Pa. people are.
07-15-2009, 04:49 AM
#17
Giant Nontypical
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
I really find it amusing that guys buy doe licenses to "protect" the doe.
All they wind up doing over time is skewing the success rates per tag issued which eventually causes more tags to be issued for that WMU in order to get the PGC's desired harvest.
All they wind up doing over time is skewing the success rates per tag issued which eventually causes more tags to be issued for that WMU in order to get the PGC's desired harvest.
07-15-2009, 05:30 AM
#18
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: 2G Gaines Pa
Posts: 524
It's all a game of chance. How can the PGC allocate tags based on hunters that bought tags and burned them, hunters that bought tags and didn't use them but sent in a harvest report card anyway, and hunters that did use the tag but didn't send in a report card, and hunters that did use the tag and did report their kill? It's all a game of chance. Plain and simple.
Last edited by ManySpurs; 07-15-2009 at 05:34 AM.
07-15-2009, 12:53 PM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
If the PGC doesn't know how many deer there are in each WMU , how do they know how many need to be harvested to get the desired kill?
07-15-2009, 01:29 PM
#20
Giant Nontypical
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
It's a simple enough concept for anyone with elementary school math skills.
The PGC calculates how many antlerless license it takes to generate a harvested deer for each WMU. RSB has posted those ratios here before
The number of tags it takes to generate a harvested deer varies between WMU's. The PGC calculates the desired harvest and simply applies the tags needed per harvest ratio to get the kill they want.
If enough guys buy tags and burn em, the harvest success rate goes down and it requires more tags to generate a dead deer. If the desired harvest in a WMU is say 15,000 and it takes 3 tags per deer killed they issue 45,000 tags (15,000 x 3) . Now if 15,000 guys buy tags and dont use em and the guys that do use em harvest 10, 000 the success rate per tag goes down to 4.5 tags per deer harvested. If the desired harvest is still at 15,000 the next year, the PGC would now have to sell 67,500 tags. (15,000 x 4.5)
Once again, you guys that buy tags just to "protect the doe" are actually contributing to higher total allocations in the long run. It's safe to assume that most of the guys who get those extra tags you helped to generate will use em so the pendulum swings the other way too. Buting doe tags to burn em may make you feel better but in the long run, you're not helping "your" cause!
Of course the PGC can always use the $$ since the mouthy minority blackmail has stalled a license increase so keep right on buying em and burning em LOL!
The PGC calculates how many antlerless license it takes to generate a harvested deer for each WMU. RSB has posted those ratios here before
The number of tags it takes to generate a harvested deer varies between WMU's. The PGC calculates the desired harvest and simply applies the tags needed per harvest ratio to get the kill they want.
If enough guys buy tags and burn em, the harvest success rate goes down and it requires more tags to generate a dead deer. If the desired harvest in a WMU is say 15,000 and it takes 3 tags per deer killed they issue 45,000 tags (15,000 x 3) . Now if 15,000 guys buy tags and dont use em and the guys that do use em harvest 10, 000 the success rate per tag goes down to 4.5 tags per deer harvested. If the desired harvest is still at 15,000 the next year, the PGC would now have to sell 67,500 tags. (15,000 x 4.5)
Once again, you guys that buy tags just to "protect the doe" are actually contributing to higher total allocations in the long run. It's safe to assume that most of the guys who get those extra tags you helped to generate will use em so the pendulum swings the other way too. Buting doe tags to burn em may make you feel better but in the long run, you're not helping "your" cause!
Of course the PGC can always use the $$ since the mouthy minority blackmail has stalled a license increase so keep right on buying em and burning em LOL!