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crokit 07-11-2009 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by crokit (Post 3382306)
How is NON ar natural selection if AR, in your words,is the exact opposite of natural selection. I'm waiting on the edge of my seat with bated breath.

Blue bird: Only you could believe that you answered this post with your post 3 posts ago.

bluebird2 07-12-2009 03:50 AM


Blue bird: Only you could believe that you answered this post with your post 3 posts ago.
Just what were you trying to say? I can't quite figure it out.

crokit 07-12-2009 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by crokit (Post 3382306)
How is NON ar natural selection if AR, in your words,is the exact opposite of natural selection. I'm waiting on the edge of my seat with bated breath.


Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3382310)
A non-AR harvest is a random harvest of all bucks with one antler 3" or longer. It does not favor the harvest of bigger buck or protect inferior buck.


Originally Posted by crokit (Post 3382383)
Blue bird: Only you could believe that you answered this post with your post 3 posts ago.


Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3382504)
Just what were you trying to say? I can't quite figure it out.

Harvesting the animal, whether using AR's or not eliminates any talk of natural selection. Get it?? It creates something that many folks see you as in some of your posts. An oxyMORON.

SteveBNy 07-12-2009 05:09 AM

Thank you Bowtruck for your understanding.

Never said I was wanting to determine who could post or not - asked for a little consideration
from those dominating the NE forum.

Corny - your hot air will keep the Pa whoa is me threads sailing for a long time.

Steve

bluebird2 07-12-2009 07:30 AM


Blue bird: Only you could believe that you answered this post with your post 3 posts ago.
Obviously it is you that doesn't get it. I didn't say either type of harvest equaled natural selection. What I said was ARs represent the exact opposite of natural selection and a non-AR harvest is a random harvest, so neither one equals natural selection. However, AR targets the buck with the highest potential for antler development so there is a greater negative potential for adversely effecting the gene pool.

Cornelius08 07-12-2009 07:32 AM

Oh. Asking for a little consideration... Is that what you call this whiney drivel and your other posts just like it??

"Could the Pa guys who have argued for 100's of threads and 1000's of repeated posts under who knows how many alter ego screen names, let the NY hunters have one thread to debate amongst themselves? You obviously can neither fix or agree on what Pa needs/doesn't need/wants or has done - how can you possibly hope to offer anything of value to NYer's?"


Stevey, I think you need to get this through your skull: You do not dictate who posts...Where they post....or what they post. So you can take your little bossy Napolean complex and shove it. You try that crap on other boards too, unsuccessfully. Btw, howd that attitude work for you and buddies over on Griz garys board? Seems he finally got tired of of the b.s. and put some of the biggest whiners in their place. I guess some never learn.

bluebird2 07-12-2009 08:31 AM

I found it interesting that the DEC report showed NY hunters raised the same issues for and against ARs as PA hunters. The big difference is that DEC told the truth about ARs while the PGC sold ARs to PA hunters based on lies.

crokit 07-12-2009 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by bawanajim (Post 3382090)
I think your missing a great opportunity for some incredible hunting.
I see no reason not to let the age of the herd to increase and with this age a better generic make up of the herd will surface.
.:wave:


Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3382191)
Did you mean the "genetic" make up of the herd? If so the exact opposite is more likely to occur since ARs are the exact opposite of natural selection.

Now Blue bird, I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible;

You state that the opposite of " a BETTER genetic make-up will occur ". That can only mean, at least to us in NY State, that you are saying a WORSE genetic make-up will occur. You know, opposite of BETTER. If AR's have that effect, as you say, then non- AR's HAVE to have at least that effect.

Unless, of course, in a non-ar region, hunters are allowing all breeding age buck to pass. Let's see, I'm hunting in a non-AR zone, and I have the choice of shooting that small 8pt, or that crotch horn next to him. Yup, your right, I'm Naturally selecting the crotch horn. LMAOAYDS.

You got any more of that $hit?, or is it " one dog, one bone "

bluebird2 07-12-2009 12:51 PM

It not as simple as you might like to think it is and the experts disagree with you. The big difference is ARs protect the smallest buck in each age class while a non-AR harvest make all antlered buck with at least 3" spike legal.

Here is what happened as a result of 12 years of ARs in Miss.


MDWFP DEER COMMITTEE
Chad M.Dacus
Deer Program Coordinator
(601) 432-2177 • [email protected]
William T.McKinley
Why not the 4-Point Law?
Research conducted by the MDWFP and Mississippi State University indicates the 4-point law has reduced
the antler size of harvested 2.5 and 3.5 year old bucks across the state. Researchers and biologists believe the
4-point law allows the harvest of better quality yearling bucks, while protecting lesser quality spikes and 3-
point bucks. The result has been a decrease in antler size within age classes of older bucks. The combination
ofthe 4-point law, high hunting pressure, and lower reproduction has resulted in the over-harvest of bucks and
decreased antler size in deer herds across Mississippi.

crokit 07-12-2009 12:55 PM

Simply commenting on your quotes that I listed two posts ago, quotes regarding natural selection. Those quotes are clearly wrong. :party0007: As far as the experts, the jury is still out on them.

P.S.: Just a little advice: One of the greatest deficiencies a man can have is the inability to admit he's wrong.


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