WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE PA DEER AUDIT?
#21
ACtually that would be you my friend. Voicing points of view was exactly what we were doing until you threw your usual personal attack/pro-pgc fit.
Noone said a damn thing to you. No one personally attacked you. People were voicing their opinions on pgc and YOU didnt like them. Thats tough sh**! You jumped in with your bs. as was always your norm anytime anyone says anything about the mismanagement.
Noone said a damn thing to you. No one personally attacked you. People were voicing their opinions on pgc and YOU didnt like them. Thats tough sh**! You jumped in with your bs. as was always your norm anytime anyone says anything about the mismanagement.
absolutely ridiculous 100% greed induced proposal
The fraud audit
econuts with treachery and lies.
And then there's this gem...
This audit is a fraudulent sham and so is the pgc.
Maybe you went and got yerself a dose of tick spit???..... been tested lately?
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"LMFAO! Not exactly sport. Here's some of your "points of view" before I entered this thread.......... "
Yes, it was EXACTLY goof ball.
I spoke of the "proposal" and attacked NOONE with that statement, unlike you. It also wasnt directed to you, but to someone who felt as if they didnt like my opinion on another thread so brought a "jab" here. Which btw was none of your business to stick your fat nose in.
and it was made days ago. Your excuses are about as valid as pgcs. Too uneducated to rebuff the facts and educated opinions given so attack the poster. But dont feel the need to make up lies and excuses for your usual asnine antics. You are well known here as are your ways. You wanna jab with insults? Go head. But dont cry foul when you get slapped in the mouth back with the same, whiney.[:-]
"simply because there's folks out there who don't buy into all of your paranoia LOL "
Ha ha ha. Good way to keep things light and humorous!
As if the majority of hunters are as uneducated and up pgcs butt as YOU HA HA HA LMFAO!! Every single poll taken here has shown the opposite. As well as seeing it firsthand for anyone not completely blind in the real world. How many unfavorable pgc polls is it now??? A dozen or so? LMFAO!!By my count so far, I see 3 votes for your point of view. 3 out of 19 who trust the audit period. LMAO! I know bowtruck was one of the votes, and I wouldnt be surprised if the other 2 were both you. One with btbowhunter and the other vote your "camp id" At any rate, pretty funny stuff blatantly countering your wild claims.[:'(]
"Maybe you went and got yerself a dose of tick spit???..... been tested lately? "
You were the one who thought you had it.... And also the one who has shown the classic symtoms from your mood swings and borderline dimentia lack of memory, irrational erratic behaviour etc etc.. You claim you recently found out it wasnt lymes....Did you ever find out what was wrong? Smoke too much pot back in the 70's??
Yes, it was EXACTLY goof ball.
I spoke of the "proposal" and attacked NOONE with that statement, unlike you. It also wasnt directed to you, but to someone who felt as if they didnt like my opinion on another thread so brought a "jab" here. Which btw was none of your business to stick your fat nose in.
and it was made days ago. Your excuses are about as valid as pgcs. Too uneducated to rebuff the facts and educated opinions given so attack the poster. But dont feel the need to make up lies and excuses for your usual asnine antics. You are well known here as are your ways. You wanna jab with insults? Go head. But dont cry foul when you get slapped in the mouth back with the same, whiney.[:-]"simply because there's folks out there who don't buy into all of your paranoia LOL "
Ha ha ha. Good way to keep things light and humorous!
As if the majority of hunters are as uneducated and up pgcs butt as YOU HA HA HA LMFAO!! Every single poll taken here has shown the opposite. As well as seeing it firsthand for anyone not completely blind in the real world. How many unfavorable pgc polls is it now??? A dozen or so? LMFAO!!By my count so far, I see 3 votes for your point of view. 3 out of 19 who trust the audit period. LMAO! I know bowtruck was one of the votes, and I wouldnt be surprised if the other 2 were both you. One with btbowhunter and the other vote your "camp id" At any rate, pretty funny stuff blatantly countering your wild claims.[:'(]"Maybe you went and got yerself a dose of tick spit???..... been tested lately? "
You were the one who thought you had it.... And also the one who has shown the classic symtoms from your mood swings and borderline dimentia lack of memory, irrational erratic behaviour etc etc.. You claim you recently found out it wasnt lymes....Did you ever find out what was wrong? Smoke too much pot back in the 70's??
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Which word didnt you understand when I said I havent voted in this ridiculous poll. There's simply no point in voting on something so ridiculous.
Oh and a quick click on that other screen name will show it was used once, 5 weeks ago when I signed on at a library to answer blkpowders thread specifically asking where I was.Sorry Corny, need something to wipe that egg off yer face again?
You're amatuerish dancing around the facts trying to distract with name calling andbaseless rants kinda reminds me of a Pelosi press conference LOL
Maybe you need to up your valium dosage
Oh and a quick click on that other screen name will show it was used once, 5 weeks ago when I signed on at a library to answer blkpowders thread specifically asking where I was.Sorry Corny, need something to wipe that egg off yer face again?
You're amatuerish dancing around the facts trying to distract with name calling andbaseless rants kinda reminds me of a Pelosi press conference LOL
Maybe you need to up your valium dosage
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Facts? Please point out ONE valid fact on this topic in this thread that you've contributed...
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Please point out ONE post here that didnt contain insults.
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Every thread Ive seen on the topic of pgc deerless sham plan since long before I became a member, has had your pathetic attempts at "taking over" the conversation and turning away from your "beloved" pgc, with your raving and blind hatred of anyone who dares challenge the almighty pgc.
If you havent learned that doesnt stop me from telling the truth and pointing out the deciet and how big a farce this econut deer program is, then you're dumber'n I thought.[8D]
"Which word didnt you understand when I said I havent voted in this ridiculous poll. There's simply no point in voting on something so ridiculous.
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Apparently 19 others disagreed with you and voted.
"Oh and a quick click on that other screen name will show it was used once, 5 weeks ago when I signed on at a library to answer blkpowders thread specifically asking where I was. Sorry Corny, need something to wipe that egg off yer face again?"
[b]What egg? The only egg is the one in your throat which you are clearly choking on since your deciet was pointed out. You didnt just sign up for an id and post, you did what you claimed someone else did, you skewed a poll by voting multiple. You voted on the PREVIOUS poll AS I SAID, more than once. The only credit I will give you is that you didnt try to deny voting double on THAT one when you signed up for your other id. Funny part is, the pro-pgc votes were STILL the tiny minority, despite your efforts! LMAO!
This poll? Dont know, but I wouldnt take your word for it one way or another. You word is usually mistruth, and 99.8% of the time 100% meaningless.
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[:-]Please point out ONE post here that didnt contain insults.
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[:-]Every thread Ive seen on the topic of pgc deerless sham plan since long before I became a member, has had your pathetic attempts at "taking over" the conversation and turning away from your "beloved" pgc, with your raving and blind hatred of anyone who dares challenge the almighty pgc.
If you havent learned that doesnt stop me from telling the truth and pointing out the deciet and how big a farce this econut deer program is, then you're dumber'n I thought.[8D]
"Which word didnt you understand when I said I havent voted in this ridiculous poll. There's simply no point in voting on something so ridiculous.
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Apparently 19 others disagreed with you and voted.
"Oh and a quick click on that other screen name will show it was used once, 5 weeks ago when I signed on at a library to answer blkpowders thread specifically asking where I was. Sorry Corny, need something to wipe that egg off yer face again?"
[b]What egg? The only egg is the one in your throat which you are clearly choking on since your deciet was pointed out. You didnt just sign up for an id and post, you did what you claimed someone else did, you skewed a poll by voting multiple. You voted on the PREVIOUS poll AS I SAID, more than once. The only credit I will give you is that you didnt try to deny voting double on THAT one when you signed up for your other id. Funny part is, the pro-pgc votes were STILL the tiny minority, despite your efforts! LMAO!
This poll? Dont know, but I wouldnt take your word for it one way or another. You word is usually mistruth, and 99.8% of the time 100% meaningless.
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Facts? Please point out ONE valid fact on this topic in this thread that you've contributed...
It's also fact that I havent taken a position on theaudit's outcome. I havent voted here because the position I've taken on your imbecilic poll is that it is premature, useless at this point, and only serves to show that your mind is made up as to the results of something yet to be produced.In my exchange with SS, I readily said that it needs intense scrutiny when it comes out.Why can't you simply wait till it's out before you rant and stomp and call it a sham? What are you afraid of?
When it does come out, your comments will be meaningless because you have now proven that you have already decided on it's accuracy and credibility. Kinda reminds me of Specter voting for an 1100 page spending bill without reading it. You don't need facts to support your opinions and you're proving it here.
It's small wonder that some of the BOC doesn't listen to hunters any more.If the firsthunters they hear from are guys like you who start ranting and stomping andgetting spittin mad when they havent eventaken the time to gather any real facts and form anything more than an opinion based on their own preconceived notions, who can blame them for not listening?
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" Therefore a poll on the outcome is meaningless."
The poll is no more "meaningless" than those asking about opinions of pgc, opinions on season structure that will never happen, or anything else...It simply asks if knowing what we now know about pgc, wmi, etc. Do you trust the results to be fair and unbiased at this moment in time. An opinion can be had in that area BEFORE an audit takes place based on what is known of wmi, pgc etc. I didnt ask if anyone thought they were gonna like or dislike the results. Though if there is reason why one doesnt trust the results, Id imagine there to be a very good chance they wont like the results.
"It's also fact that I havent taken a position on the audit's outcome. I havent voted here because the position I've taken on your imbecilic poll is that it is premature, useless at this point, and only serves to show that your mind is made up as to the results of something yet to be produced. In my exchange with SS, I readily said that it needs intense scrutiny when it comes out. Why can't you simply wait till it's out before you rant and stomp and call it a sham? What are you afraid of? "
Better question, why does my "ranting, stomping, and calling it a sham upset you? And I hear you saying about not having your mind made up, but I'll bet my thumbs that when that audit is complete, and the rubber stamp given all you will say smugly is "SEE? TOLD YA SO!" and it will not matter how the results are obtained.
"When it does come out, your comments will be meaningless because you have now proven that you have already decided on it's accuracy and credibility. Kinda reminds me of Specter voting for an 1100 page spending bill without reading it. You don't need facts to support your opinions and you're proving it here. "
I honestly HOPE that Im proven wrong. That will be easy to determine, though i have absolutely no doubt that you will dismiss any evidence that shows audit fraud. (LOL) Especially when the time comes and it is pointed out that some things might not have even been addressed, let alone addressed in appropriate problem solving manner.
"It's small wonder that some of the BOC doesn't listen to hunters any more. If the first hunters they hear from are guys like you who start ranting and stomping and getting spittin mad when they havent even taken the time to gather any real facts and form anything more than an opinion based on their own preconceived notions, who can blame them for not listening? "
Some of them do. The majority thanks to econut deck stacking have not. Nor will they. They didnt invest all this time and effort just to "abandon ship" now. The boc will continue to be stacked....Just ask our fine new antideer commissioner Putnam....(and while youre at it, ask him about those fine fellas at wmi whom hes worked with) The audit is biased. There is no way the econuts, audubon, timber, dcnr are gonna give up the strangle hold they have on us willingly, and going along quietly being led by the hand to our slaughter which theyve prepared wont solve a damn thing....at least not on OUR end.
And as for my positions, they are based on the facts. UGLY facts. My positions are WELL founded through much research of said topics. And as for THIS one, the only facts need be known is FACT 1. The audit was supposed to be unbiased and done because of high level of sportsmen dissatisfaction. FACT 2. Pgc and wmi share MANY connections and some of them are not pretty. And they include ties to pgc commissioner, pgc projects, Nitwit econut SHissler involved with deer plan and wmi, Wmi having taken part in audubon deer study shananigans, and more...
Those FACT are indisputable. The party who picked wmi is as crooked as the day is long and a dirty sob to boot.. Thats an educated opinion of these facts.
Could a chance exist that I be wrong about getting a "biased" result? Maybe, but imho very doubtful. But more importantly at the moment, the fact is, this cannot be considered an unbiased auditor with no connections right off the bat, so right off the bat, we shouldnt be risking everything from 90,000 tax payer money, to further screwing up our hunting heritage because you think all is well and good no matter who they pick to audit us to rubber stamp the sham.
The poll is no more "meaningless" than those asking about opinions of pgc, opinions on season structure that will never happen, or anything else...It simply asks if knowing what we now know about pgc, wmi, etc. Do you trust the results to be fair and unbiased at this moment in time. An opinion can be had in that area BEFORE an audit takes place based on what is known of wmi, pgc etc. I didnt ask if anyone thought they were gonna like or dislike the results. Though if there is reason why one doesnt trust the results, Id imagine there to be a very good chance they wont like the results.
"It's also fact that I havent taken a position on the audit's outcome. I havent voted here because the position I've taken on your imbecilic poll is that it is premature, useless at this point, and only serves to show that your mind is made up as to the results of something yet to be produced. In my exchange with SS, I readily said that it needs intense scrutiny when it comes out. Why can't you simply wait till it's out before you rant and stomp and call it a sham? What are you afraid of? "
Better question, why does my "ranting, stomping, and calling it a sham upset you? And I hear you saying about not having your mind made up, but I'll bet my thumbs that when that audit is complete, and the rubber stamp given all you will say smugly is "SEE? TOLD YA SO!" and it will not matter how the results are obtained.
"When it does come out, your comments will be meaningless because you have now proven that you have already decided on it's accuracy and credibility. Kinda reminds me of Specter voting for an 1100 page spending bill without reading it. You don't need facts to support your opinions and you're proving it here. "
I honestly HOPE that Im proven wrong. That will be easy to determine, though i have absolutely no doubt that you will dismiss any evidence that shows audit fraud. (LOL) Especially when the time comes and it is pointed out that some things might not have even been addressed, let alone addressed in appropriate problem solving manner.
"It's small wonder that some of the BOC doesn't listen to hunters any more. If the first hunters they hear from are guys like you who start ranting and stomping and getting spittin mad when they havent even taken the time to gather any real facts and form anything more than an opinion based on their own preconceived notions, who can blame them for not listening? "
Some of them do. The majority thanks to econut deck stacking have not. Nor will they. They didnt invest all this time and effort just to "abandon ship" now. The boc will continue to be stacked....Just ask our fine new antideer commissioner Putnam....(and while youre at it, ask him about those fine fellas at wmi whom hes worked with) The audit is biased. There is no way the econuts, audubon, timber, dcnr are gonna give up the strangle hold they have on us willingly, and going along quietly being led by the hand to our slaughter which theyve prepared wont solve a damn thing....at least not on OUR end.
And as for my positions, they are based on the facts. UGLY facts. My positions are WELL founded through much research of said topics. And as for THIS one, the only facts need be known is FACT 1. The audit was supposed to be unbiased and done because of high level of sportsmen dissatisfaction. FACT 2. Pgc and wmi share MANY connections and some of them are not pretty. And they include ties to pgc commissioner, pgc projects, Nitwit econut SHissler involved with deer plan and wmi, Wmi having taken part in audubon deer study shananigans, and more...
Those FACT are indisputable. The party who picked wmi is as crooked as the day is long and a dirty sob to boot.. Thats an educated opinion of these facts.

Could a chance exist that I be wrong about getting a "biased" result? Maybe, but imho very doubtful. But more importantly at the moment, the fact is, this cannot be considered an unbiased auditor with no connections right off the bat, so right off the bat, we shouldnt be risking everything from 90,000 tax payer money, to further screwing up our hunting heritage because you think all is well and good no matter who they pick to audit us to rubber stamp the sham.
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Cornelius and those of us that question the independency of WMI can't lose in this debate. If the WMI produces a truly unbiased audit it will point out all the lies and flaws in the current plan which will prove we were right in opposing the plan. If they give a rubber stamp approval of the PGC DMP it will prove we were right when we claimed they ha conflict of interest due to their previous work on promoting the plan.
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Cornelius and those of us that question the independency of WMI can't lose in this debate. If the WMI produces a truly unbiased audit it will point out all the lies and flaws in the current plan which will prove we were right in opposing the plan. If they give a rubber stamp approval of the PGC DMP it will prove we were right when we claimed they ha conflict of interest due to their previous work on promoting the plan.
Cornelius and those of us that question the independency of WMI can't lose in this debate. If the WMI produces a truly unbiased audit it will point out all the lies and flaws in the current plan which will prove we were right in opposing the plan. If they give a rubber stamp approval of the PGC DMP it will prove we were right when we claimed they ha conflict of interest due to their previous work on promoting the plan.


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I see you are back to posting pure nonsense. It makes no sense to claim my eyes and mind are blinded by reality. I have no problem handling reality because it supports my position. When reality supports your position then you might have something to crow about.


