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Old 05-19-2009 | 12:03 PM
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Cornelius08
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" Therefore a poll on the outcome is meaningless."

The poll is no more "meaningless" than those asking about opinions of pgc, opinions on season structure that will never happen, or anything else...It simply asks if knowing what we now know about pgc, wmi, etc. Do you trust the results to be fair and unbiased at this moment in time. An opinion can be had in that area BEFORE an audit takes place based on what is known of wmi, pgc etc. I didnt ask if anyone thought they were gonna like or dislike the results. Though if there is reason why one doesnt trust the results, Id imagine there to be a very good chance they wont like the results.

"It's also fact that I havent taken a position on the audit's outcome. I havent voted here because the position I've taken on your imbecilic poll is that it is premature, useless at this point, and only serves to show that your mind is made up as to the results of something yet to be produced. In my exchange with SS, I readily said that it needs intense scrutiny when it comes out. Why can't you simply wait till it's out before you rant and stomp and call it a sham? What are you afraid of? "

Better question, why does my "ranting, stomping, and calling it a sham upset you? And I hear you saying about not having your mind made up, but I'll bet my thumbs that when that audit is complete, and the rubber stamp given all you will say smugly is "SEE? TOLD YA SO!" and it will not matter how the results are obtained.

"When it does come out, your comments will be meaningless because you have now proven that you have already decided on it's accuracy and credibility. Kinda reminds me of Specter voting for an 1100 page spending bill without reading it. You don't need facts to support your opinions and you're proving it here. "

I honestly HOPE that Im proven wrong. That will be easy to determine, though i have absolutely no doubt that you will dismiss any evidence that shows audit fraud. (LOL) Especially when the time comes and it is pointed out that some things might not have even been addressed, let alone addressed in appropriate problem solving manner.

"It's small wonder that some of the BOC doesn't listen to hunters any more. If the first hunters they hear from are guys like you who start ranting and stomping and getting spittin mad when they havent even taken the time to gather any real facts and form anything more than an opinion based on their own preconceived notions, who can blame them for not listening? "

Some of them do. The majority thanks to econut deck stacking have not. Nor will they. They didnt invest all this time and effort just to "abandon ship" now. The boc will continue to be stacked....Just ask our fine new antideer commissioner Putnam....(and while youre at it, ask him about those fine fellas at wmi whom hes worked with) The audit is biased. There is no way the econuts, audubon, timber, dcnr are gonna give up the strangle hold they have on us willingly, and going along quietly being led by the hand to our slaughter which theyve prepared wont solve a damn thing....at least not on OUR end.

And as for my positions, they are based on the facts. UGLY facts. My positions are WELL founded through much research of said topics. And as for THIS one, the only facts need be known is FACT 1. The audit was supposed to be unbiased and done because of high level of sportsmen dissatisfaction. FACT 2. Pgc and wmi share MANY connections and some of them are not pretty. And they include ties to pgc commissioner, pgc projects, Nitwit econut SHissler involved with deer plan and wmi, Wmi having taken part in audubon deer study shananigans, and more...

Those FACT are indisputable. The party who picked wmi is as crooked as the day is long and a dirty sob to boot.. Thats an educated opinion of these facts.


Could a chance exist that I be wrong about getting a "biased" result? Maybe, but imho very doubtful. But more importantly at the moment, the fact is, this cannot be considered an unbiased auditor with no connections right off the bat, so right off the bat, we shouldnt be risking everything from 90,000 tax payer money, to further screwing up our hunting heritage because you think all is well and good no matter who they pick to audit us to rubber stamp the sham.
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