Hunting is great in PA?????
04-03-2009 | 03:38 PM
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RE: Hunting is great in PA?????
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I beg to differ,good hunting is an eltitlement when we are forced to pay their prices,abide by "their" rules,
I beg to differ,good hunting is an eltitlement when we are forced to pay their prices,abide by "their" rules,
04-03-2009 | 04:44 PM
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RE: Hunting is great in PA?????
"First is the notable fact that only one very small organization has participated as an organization in the use of the fee increase for blackmail. All the rest are either on record supporting the increase or are neutral on the subject. "
That doesnt take into account INDIVIDUALS which are by far the huge majority. I have voiced support for withholding the fee increase and many others Iknow ofwith no affiliations have as well. I also have spoken via pm with many who have as well. After hearing about legislators takes on the issue, it seems they are and have been BOMBARDED with complaints about the deer program and nonsupport for fee increase. Ask someone in the real world wether they support a fee increase for the greed commission and they'll either laugh thinking you must be joking, or say things about pgc that I cannot repeat here..(LOL)
"Setting aside the USP website, which doesnt allow nonmembers to even view their forum. Everyoutdoor forum where PA is a subject other than this one shows overwhelming support for a license increase. "
Pa outdoors doesnt. Pa sportsman portal doesnt. Pa outdoor news poll didnt. I see NONE other than hpa. And I think we all can understand that! And btw, the pfsc is meaningless. Membership includes econuts even nonhunting econuts, and they are nothing more than a pgc political yes machine.....AND THATS A WELL KNOWN FACT!
Ive also posted SEVERAL polls on here in the past, from various sites that were by far against pgc. Most in the 80+% range.
"Finally, theres the age old documented fact that people tend to speak up when unhappy or angry but when content, we don't hear from them."
There is also an age old saying hunters are extremely nonpolitically involved and apathetic. Many grumble and do nothing. The HUGE majority in myopinion are against the deer plan.
"Of course this will induced a bold print technicolorranting tantrum from the cornhole and a barrage of numbers from the bird "
Neurological disfunction kicking in again eh?
That doesnt take into account INDIVIDUALS which are by far the huge majority. I have voiced support for withholding the fee increase and many others Iknow ofwith no affiliations have as well. I also have spoken via pm with many who have as well. After hearing about legislators takes on the issue, it seems they are and have been BOMBARDED with complaints about the deer program and nonsupport for fee increase. Ask someone in the real world wether they support a fee increase for the greed commission and they'll either laugh thinking you must be joking, or say things about pgc that I cannot repeat here..(LOL)
"Setting aside the USP website, which doesnt allow nonmembers to even view their forum. Everyoutdoor forum where PA is a subject other than this one shows overwhelming support for a license increase. "
Pa outdoors doesnt. Pa sportsman portal doesnt. Pa outdoor news poll didnt. I see NONE other than hpa. And I think we all can understand that! And btw, the pfsc is meaningless. Membership includes econuts even nonhunting econuts, and they are nothing more than a pgc political yes machine.....AND THATS A WELL KNOWN FACT!
Ive also posted SEVERAL polls on here in the past, from various sites that were by far against pgc. Most in the 80+% range.
"Finally, theres the age old documented fact that people tend to speak up when unhappy or angry but when content, we don't hear from them."
There is also an age old saying hunters are extremely nonpolitically involved and apathetic. Many grumble and do nothing. The HUGE majority in myopinion are against the deer plan.
"Of course this will induced a bold print technicolorranting tantrum from the cornhole and a barrage of numbers from the bird "
Neurological disfunction kicking in again eh?
04-03-2009 | 05:21 PM
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RE: Hunting is great in PA?????
That was an easy call. The cornhole, as predicted,posts lots of ranting sputtering and opinionated baloney but once again, his response is characteristically devoid of any substance.
Nooo that is your warped opinion. The PFSC has been a solid voice for hunters for a very long time. Quite possibly since before you were even floatin around inyour old mans nads.
Flat out lie. If I'm wrong. produce the links showing 80% against an increase. Produce even one!
And you know this how? You are entitled to your opinion but other than that, you got nuthin!
Pa outdoors doesnt. Pa sportsman portal doesnt. Pa outdoor news poll didnt. I see NONE other than hpa. And I think we all can understand that! And btw, the pfsc is meaningless. Membership includes econuts even nonhunting econuts, and they are nothing more than a pgc political yes machine.....AND THATS A WELL KNOWN FACT!
Ive also posted SEVERAL polls on here in the past, from various sites that were by far against pgc. Most in the 80+% range.
There is also an age old saying hunters are extremely nonpolitically involved and apathetic. Many grumble and do nothing. The HUGE majority in myopinion are against the deer plan.
04-03-2009 | 05:44 PM
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RE: Hunting is great in PA?????
The only thing that I would add that Cornelius hasn't already said is the following. Message boards are represenative of nothing except those who post on message boards. In my opinion, only a small percentage of our hunting community participate in message boards and I don't think you can use these message boards as an indicator of what the the rest of the hunting community is thinking.
Also, it may or may not be true that only the angry and dissatisfied are going to make their opinions heard. I would question, how do you know that the majority of people are not angry and dissatisfied? Where I live, it certainly seems that way. I know of no one who seems to be content with the current situation except for one individual. He works for DCNR.
Also, it may or may not be true that only the angry and dissatisfied are going to make their opinions heard. I would question, how do you know that the majority of people are not angry and dissatisfied? Where I live, it certainly seems that way. I know of no one who seems to be content with the current situation except for one individual. He works for DCNR.
04-03-2009 | 05:52 PM
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RE: Hunting is great in PA?????
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The only thing that I would add that Cornelius hasn't already said is the following. Message boards are represenative of nothing except those who post on message boards. In my opinion, only a small percentage of our hunting community participate in message boards and I don't think you can use these message boards as an indicator of what the the rest of the hunting community is thinking.
Also, it may or may not be true that only the angry and dissatisfied are going to make their opinions heard. I would question, how do you know that the majority of people are not angry and dissatisfied? Where I live, it certainly seems that way. I know of no one who seems to be content with the current situation except for one individual. He works for DCNR.
The only thing that I would add that Cornelius hasn't already said is the following. Message boards are represenative of nothing except those who post on message boards. In my opinion, only a small percentage of our hunting community participate in message boards and I don't think you can use these message boards as an indicator of what the the rest of the hunting community is thinking.
Also, it may or may not be true that only the angry and dissatisfied are going to make their opinions heard. I would question, how do you know that the majority of people are not angry and dissatisfied? Where I live, it certainly seems that way. I know of no one who seems to be content with the current situation except for one individual. He works for DCNR.
So essentially, the only thing you have to dispute the facts I posted is your opinion of what those facts mean?
04-03-2009 | 06:05 PM
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RE: Hunting is great in PA?????
No. It's that and more. Like I said, I agree with what Cornelius has already stated. Like it or not,he countered your facts with some facts of his own. Calm down and go back and read what he said and take time to comprehend it before dismissing it.
04-03-2009 | 06:19 PM
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RE: Hunting is great in PA?????
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No. It's that and more. Like I said, I agree with what Cornelius has already stated. Like it or not,he countered your facts with some facts of his own. Calm down and go back and read what he said and take time to comprehend it before dismissing it.
No. It's that and more. Like I said, I agree with what Cornelius has already stated. Like it or not,he countered your facts with some facts of his own. Calm down and go back and read what he said and take time to comprehend it before dismissing it.
Most hunters don't belong to any organization. Thats about all he posted that he can back up as anything more than opinion. Of the organizations that represent hunters, I posted their positions correctly.
Please point out what other supportable "facts" were in Corny's post.
Don't forget that the subject is the license increase.
Remember, we're looking for facts not opinions.
Maybe you need to R-E-A-D before you spout off like a spoiled child again.
04-03-2009 | 06:28 PM
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RE: Hunting is great in PA?????
Pa outdoor news: Do you want to see the lawsuit dropped against PGC....433 votes. 83% say NO!!
Pa outdoors message board: Is Pgc doing a good job? 79.3% say NO!!
Poll on huntingnet: Do you agree with the extent of hr? 44 of 55 say NO!!!
Outdoor times: Do you want to see pgc commissioner terms reduced? 69.1% say YES!!!
Grizzly Gary poll: Has reduction in Pa gone too far? 78% say YES!!!
NUff said.
We discussed this previously son. http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3259864
Pa outdoors message board: Is Pgc doing a good job? 79.3% say NO!!
Poll on huntingnet: Do you agree with the extent of hr? 44 of 55 say NO!!!
Outdoor times: Do you want to see pgc commissioner terms reduced? 69.1% say YES!!!
Grizzly Gary poll: Has reduction in Pa gone too far? 78% say YES!!!
NUff said.
We discussed this previously son. http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3259864