bluebird2

Wrong again. We had quality small game hunting during the 60s and 70s and we didn't have to do anything to make it happen. We still have quality turkey and bear hunting and hunters didn't have to do anything to make it happen.And, we had quality deer hunting even when we had 1.6M PS deer.

bawanajim

You were at "Woodstock" weren't you?

lost horn

That's right, and that's why we need to keep in touch with these people.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/cteeInfo.cfm?cde=18&body=H

bawanajim

A major victory for birds of prey was their addition to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act in 1972.

Probably just coincidence.

BTBowhunter

Agreed. Thanks Lost Horn.

The mouthy minority has managed to make just enough noise that a license increase has been stalled. If just a few more of the reasonable majority would make our position known, it could have been passed by now.

People who arent really unhappy don't call or write. So, unfortunately the loudmouths like corn dog and the persistent spin doctors like the bird get more attention than they deserve.

shump

[quote]ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

Not even close. Try again. Pa License sales actually went up a tick in 08 while nationally they continue to drop
the surrounding states.


I can not find anything for 2008 sales but this is the last 10 years
Licensing
SearchPennsylvania Game Commission - State Wildlife Management Agency HomePrintable Version General Hunting License Sales

< TR> License Type 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 Resident Adult 811,985 777,172 774,396 776,032 749,352 744,856 735,158 695,118 681,880 665,719 Resident Military





1,812 2,611 2,894 2,710 Resident Junior 98,233 62,586 57,661 56,801 54,793 53,739 52,473 48,922 45,818 41,743 Resident Junior Combination 35,617 43,174 46,026 48,813 51,064 53,689 52,991 52,345 51,533 Resident Senior 46,929 43,759 43,574 43,200 40,607 39,099 37,718 34,664 31,761 31,615 Resident Senior Lifetime 4,515 3,529 3,946 3,461 3,174 3,049 3,163 3,195 3,707 2,814 Resident Senior LifetimeCombination 2,158 2,757 2,449 2,664 2,701 3,120 3,473 4,359 3,922 Resident Senior Lifetime Upgrade 3,371 762 388 312 291 316 327 327 263 Resident Landowner 1,578 1,826 1,853 1,814 1,795 1,740 1,674 1,468 1,383 1,221 Nonresident Adult 67,386 63,830 65,007 66,819 61,731 64,832 64,862 59,361 56,574 54,192 Nonresident Junior 2,612 2,094 2,223 2,500 2,468 2,673 2,672 2,575 2,369 2,274 Nonresident Junior Combination
582 660 739 724 771 810 720 653 645 7-Day Nonresident Small Game 4,385 3,262 3,098 3,054 3,018 2,676 2,591 2,454 2,556 2,524 Resident Senior Lifetime Renewal 33,582 33,529 39,735 44,537 47,703 50,757 53,808 56,279 59,266 63,273 Total General HuntingLicense Sales 1,071,205 1,033,315 1,038,846 1,047,820 1,017,154 1,018,248 1,013,866 964,158 945,892 924,448
ADDITIONAL LICENSE SALES License Type 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 Archery 328,451



Resident Archery 263,377 270,286 271,814 270,043 271,162 270,584 257,159 256,662 255,188 Nonresident Archery 13,245 13,937 14,173 13,012 13,959 13,909 12,593 12,089 11,653 Muzzleloader 90,421




Resident Muzzleloader 101,672 131,986 141,075 158,817 179,339 190,646 192,258 190,179 188,207 Nonresident Muzzleloader 4,418 5,751 6,338 7,259 9,049 9,547 8,645 8,112 7,847 Resident Bear 112,008 99,520 101,840 106,583 118,218 119,998 127,718 136,694 134,116 130,675 Nonresident Bear 2,759 2,384 2,439 2,667 3,828 3,913 4,463 5,368 5,255 4,909 Antlerless Deer 743,875



Resident Antlerless Deer 717,234 789,875 750,740 975,327 910,330 979,781 833,923 815,799 817,821 Nonresident Antlerless Deer 21,361 22,962 20,028 33,057 33,879 35,819 25,349 23,728 23,011 Landowner Antlerless Deer 1,397



Resident Landowner Antlerless Deer 1,436 1,414 1,517 1,586 1,731 1,610 1,467 1,515 1,410 Nonresident Landowner Antlerless Deer 802 640 634[/size]635 666 97 86 87 644645 646647 Armed Forces Antlerless Deer 968 858 1,334 2,078 2,233 2,513 2,649 2,925 2,887 2,783 Disabled Veteran Antlerless Deer 672[/size]673 674675 701 796 831 960 1,029 1,100 1,217 1,234 Resident Migratory Game Bird 131,178* 115,252 116,202 115,053 116,583 113,232 110,258 104,174 103,942 104,197 Nonresident Migratory Game Bird
4,579 4,419 4,277 4,500 4,477 4,451 4,358 4,338 4,684 Special Wild Turkey License (Resident)






7,767 7,341 8,517 Special Wild Turkey License (Non-Resident)






746747 748749 750751 * Migratory Game Bird (Combined Resident and Non-Resident)
FURTAKER LICENSE SALES License Type 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 Resident Adult 21,483 16,110 17,174 18,218 19,251 21,053 22,852 22,626 25,203 26,646 Resident Junior 2,721 806[/size]807 808[/size]809 810[/size]811 812813 814815 816817 818819 820[/size]821 822[/size]823 Resident Senior 1,356 828[/size]829 916 832[size="1"]833 834[size="1"]835 836 838839 840841 842[size="1"]843 844845 Resident Senior Lifetime 848849 850851 852853 854855 856857 858859 860861 862863 864865 866867 Nonresident Adult 870871 872873 874875 876877 878879 880881 882883 884885 886887 888889 Nonresident Junior 892893 894895 896897 898899 900901 902903 904905 906907 908909 910911 Total Furtaker License Sales 25,998 17,604 18,551 19,410 20,676 22,454 24,094 23,941 26,589 28,033





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BTBowhunter

37 years of 100% federal protection of avian predators has definitely made a big dent in our small game populations. [:@]

Dont see the feds changing that in our lifetime given the resistance we've seen to even the most reasonable control on wolves etc in the western states.

Maverick 1

The mouthy minority has managed to make just enough noise that a license increase has been stalled. If just a few more of the reasonable majority would make our position known, it could have been passed by now.



How do you know who the minority is and who the majority is?

bawanajim

The minority is easy to tell, just like in Chicago politics they are the few whom post as many.

I'm not sure if its a sign of mental deficiency or just a "sign", but "most" of the "minority" seem incapable of mastering the quote function.

BTBowhunter

The few who post as many is spot on! One only needs to look back one page here to see the mouthiest of the minority talking to himself via an alias.