Spin Spin Spin

It's very clear that the mouthy minority can't even accept something we should all be happy about. You guys are so bent on bashing everything PGC that you simply cant accept that some things are improving. License sales took a small tick up while the national trend has been steadily downward. It would have been good news just to have it level off. An upturn, even a small one is even better. Thats a good thing no matter how you try to say it isn't.

On the other active thread here, the same guys refuse to accept that bigger bucks are being killed as a result of AR's even in the face of undeniable evidence.

The EXTRA good news is that license sales are up in spite of the pablum puking whiners that claim they're not buying a license any more. To me that means were flushing some of the turds while gaining some real hunters.

Sorry,but i'm not going to get giddy over a minute increase in license sales.There's no evidence that the reason has anything to do with AR, and to assume so is ridiculous.I was just pointing out other possible reasons are out there.And that small increase in license salses does not necessarily corelate to any improvement in approval rating of the PGC and it's policies.Do not tell me that my reason is not a possibilty unless you have proof otherwise !!!

After 50 years of hunting in Pa I wont untill the deer herd increases. Which I doubt it ever willreach a exceptanble level for me. And it has nothing to do about money. I bought my own property in another state, drive 6 hours to get there. Seen Zero hunters on my property and 71 deer in 3 days. So last year it cost me 80,000 for 2 buck. Well worth the aggravation free system and the thrill put back in a old mans heart to see Game again.And I will be able to hunt next year without buying a license.

The only vocal minorityare you little handful of guys that go from site to site doing pgc damage control.

Pretty pathetic that the only thing good the nimrods who are supporters have to point out factually is that our license sales didnt drop yet again, even though there was basically nogrowth. (LOL) Must be nice being able to point to suchslim "victory" and be elated with such! (LOL)(LOL) i guess that is GREAT compared to the last several years of declining hunter numbers, decreased reproduction and the less deer and including less bigger buck our failed plan has provided to this point.

They're not. Too muchhrhas definatelyprevented that from being the case.

Rodger, I'm assuming that this is a reply to my post. First of all, I don't disagree that your reason is a possibility at all. We might differ on how much effect that particular issue would have but I said nothing to dismiss that particular theory. That post was directed at a lot of things that were posted here and notat your particular possible reason. On the other hand your last shot, saying : "if in fact there was one"suggesting the numbers might be lies or made up was just BS and you know it.

The point was more that thenaysayers are so bent on their PGC bashing agenda that they just cant seem to accept any good news and quite frankly, you just reinforced my position.

Never said numbers lie,only thepeople whoreport them.You know as well as I do that's it's virtually impossible for us to know if the numbers the PGC report are accurate.This goes for license sales,deer kill,deer population,buck/doe ratio etc. Over the years,many hunters myself included have become sceptical of the selective information the PGC has provided us with and with good reason.And all i'm saying is I don't think a small increase in license sales is necessarily good news.It all depends on "why" the sales increased.If more hunters bought a license for the reason I stated in my post,I don't think they're the type of hunters you and I want to see out in the same woods we share.

atleast the sales are up and thats a good thing right now

The 1% uptick is not really anything to celebrate. What is noteworthy is that we went from negatives to a positive in a time when the numbers have steadily dropped across the entire US.

the significance of stopping and reversing a trend is indeed large. Anyone who has a tough time accepting that idea needs to watch the replays of Harrisons interception and touchdown run repeatedly till it sinks in. Thats what just happened with license sales.



Rodger pointed out a plausible theory, so did Greg.

Here's my best case theory: Maybewe flushed out theone day punkin army crowd over the past 5 years and we've begun to spark some interestand recapture some of those that had grown tired of the spike and forkie parade every seasonby improving the quality of our bucks.


No matter what we all believe, the one point that screams for our attention is the continued drop among junior hunters. Whatever our differences ALL of us need to try to do our part to get another kid or two involved.

cant say it any better btb

I donno fellas. Hate to burst your bubble, or maybe Im missing something, but all I see is more PGC spin and attempting to make yet another failure a success.

I thought it quite odd that while there was mention of hunting license categories increasing and others decreasing, there was no comparison of complete overall general license sales this year and last...When such a significant element is missing, it can only mean one thing..PGC DAMAGE CONTROL!!!.... One would imagine if the total licenses sold (not just one category like nonres adult etc.) increased, itd been the headline and proclaimed to the heavens by pgc...But no, they simply harped far too long on the measley less than 5k adult res increase. After reading the piece it left me wonder....Yeah, but DID WE increase or decrease overall general license sales!!?? Knowing PGC and their deciet, not to mention extreme damage controlI shouldve known why.

The sales from 07 were 924,448.http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=511&q=159015 The sales this past year? According to the article 905,046.

By my calculation....ThatsANOTHER net LOSS .