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Old 03-05-2009 | 02:38 PM
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Classic Bluebird twisting of the facts. One lone paragraph does not give a representation of Penn State Forestry School's position on deer and regeneration and you know better. Their position has been that deer have a very large impact. For all we know, it's probably all through whatever report you clipped this little sound byte from
If that is your position , all you have to do is post a report from the PS School of Forestry that contradicts what I quoted. The only reference to deer in the report was that timbering provided additional food for deer.
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Old 03-05-2009 | 04:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel

If deer, other wildlife, and the forest itself co exist in harmony for over 80 years at densities of 25dpsm, and suddenly in the last ten years, that same forest can no longer support a fraction of that many deer AFTER 80 YEARS!!!!! It doesn't take a genius to figure out that another factor has come into play and altered that relationship, and it's not the deer. Two possible factors being forest management and pollution. WE are still learning much about how pollution is affecting our planet. Can bad air quality affect certain species of plant regeneration, as well as acid rain? There is a a broad area of the Rothrock SF where poor red oak regeneration has been specifically attributed to acid rain, and that assessment came straight from DCNR.
Yes, like there was some "big bang" or something. I agree with you, this is a mystery to me, If it is true.
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Old 03-05-2009 | 04:50 PM
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Here is the link to the report by the SCS. The quote is from the first paragraph on page 11.


http://www.scscertified.com/PDFS/forest_statepenn.pdf
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Old 03-05-2009 | 05:30 PM
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Classic Bluebird twisting of the facts. One lone paragraph does not give a representation of Penn State Forestry School's position on deer and regeneration and you know better. Their position has been that deer have a very large impact. For all we know, it's probably all through whatever report you clipped this little sound byte from
If that is your position , all you have to do is post a report from the PS School of Forestry that contradicts what I quoted. The only reference to deer in the report was that timbering provided additional food for deer.
What an utterly absurd claim to make!

LOL here you go...

http://pubs.cas.psu.edu/freepubs/pdfs/uh145.pdf

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/news/resource/res2008/08-1217-naturenotes.aspx

http://www.dnr.cornell.edu/ext/info/pubs/management/PA%20Regenerating%20hardwood%20forests.pdf

http://psuforestmgmt.cas.psu.edu/regeneration.htm

http://aginfo.psu.edu/News/2004/12/forests.html

http://www.extension.org/pages/Young_Penn_State_Researcher_Immersed_in_Pennsylvan ia_Deer_Study

Not all these links are straight to PSU school of forestry but all these links are either to Penn State or someone citing their research and ALL name deer as a significant factor in forest regeneration. It took just a few minutes to find these. There are most likely dozens more at least
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Old 03-05-2009 | 05:46 PM
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No , I am not busted. I already had those articles on fencing bookmarked on my computer. I simply posted the quote to show the apparent effects of deer on regeneration varies depending on the author of the report.. The report I referenced didn't even mention over browsing, while the reports you listed were intended to emphasize the impact of deer on regeneration. Different authors with different agendas.
Furthermore, despite all the doom and gloom claims about overbrowsing the article I referenced shows that the amount of forested acres is still increasing. How is that possible when we had a record number of deer in 2001?
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Old 03-05-2009 | 06:24 PM
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Yes, you are busted once again!

You presented one paragraph and tried to pass it off as evidence that Penn State didnt consider the negative effects of deer on regeneration.

You said:
Note, there is no mention of a problem of over browsing by deer!!!!
So big deal, you managed to find one paragraph where deer werent mentioned. The fact that you would even try to post just that one small snippet as evidence that Penn States researchers dont consider deer is simply ridiculous. It just proves once again that you will go to any length to perpetuate your warped agenda.
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Old 03-05-2009 | 06:33 PM
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No , I am not busted. I already had those articles on fencing bookmarked on my computer. I simply posted the quote to show the apparent effects of deer on regeneration varies depending on the author of the report.. The report I referenced didn't even mention over browsing, while the reports you listed were intended to emphasize the impact of deer on regeneration. Different authors with different agendas.
Exactly. Greatpoint. Samecould be said of biologists as well. You can take one who has hunting as an interest and loves whitetail deer, and take another who is a treehugger and abhors deer, have themboth constructtheir owndeer programs within thehabitats cc,and Id lay odds that one would have deer densities double the other, even though both resultscould be said tobe "scientifically" acceptable.

On the topic of deer impact on regeneration, deer arent the only factor, and its debatable wether or not there are more significant factors that magnify deer damage.

Furthermore, despite all the doom and gloom claims about overbrowsing the article I referenced shows that the amount of forested acres is still increasing. How is that possible when we had a record number of deer in 2001?
Very good question. One which deserves an answer, yet will most likely conveniently go ignored! (LOL)
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Old 03-05-2009 | 06:48 PM
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Furthermore, despite all the doom and gloom claims about overbrowsing the article I referenced shows that the amount of forested acres is still increasing. How is that possible when we had a record number of deer in 2001? [/blockquote]



Very good question. One which deserves an answer, yet will most likely conveniently go ignored! (LOL
Whether or not it was a good question doesn't change the fact that asking it was a duck and run, bob and weave dodge to the fact that the [&:]bird was busted once again for posting blatant distortions.

It's a tired old tactic to change the subject when a lie is confronted and proven.
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Old 03-06-2009 | 03:48 AM
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Here is the link to the report which I quoted and you obviously haven't read.

http://pubs.cas.psu.edu/FreePubs/pdfs/uh097.pdf
So big deal, you managed to find one paragraph where deer werent mentioned. The fact that you would even try to post just that one small snippet as evidence that Penn States researchers dont consider deer is simply ridiculous. It just proves once again that you will go to any length to perpetuate your warped agenda.

Once again it is you that is busted for falsely accusing me of taking the paragraph I quoted out of context and misrepresenting the content of the report. We all know that all foresters consider deer to be a potential problem regarding regeneration, but the report I quoted clearly shows that the deer have not been devastating our forests for the past 80 years.

Here is another quote from the report citing the increase in forested land.
According to U.S. Forest Service inventories, forest
areas are actually increasing in Pennsylvania. Forest
area throughout the Commonwealth is currently at its
highest level since the late nineteenth century. In the
heavily populated Southeast, forestland increased
more than 6 percent between 1978 and 1989. Likewise,
it increased 4.5 percent in the Northeast and 3 percent
in the West. Even in the Poconos, an area of rapid
population growth, total forestland increased 1
percent. Today, about 60 percent of Pennsylvania is
forested.
Once again there is no mention of deer preventing regeneration and according for a decrease in the amount of forested land.

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Old 03-06-2009 | 04:28 AM
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Winter kill.
I wonder why it died?




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