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Now blue...whenI cited the horrible weather in 2007 as having an impact, you dismissed it and said it didn't rain where you were. Now you cite that weather as having something to do with 2008 success. Which is it?

I almost forgot though...you were on the porch in 2007, so you weren't lying TECHNICALLY.

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Thats an impressive load of bucks there Lost Horn. Do you know the story that goes with the pic? Where? When? etc etc?

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I did not say it didn't rain where I hunted. We just didn't have the heavy steady rain they had in some areas. When we were discussing the reduced buck harvest in 2007 we were talking about the statewide number, rather than the harvest in 2G ,where the weather may have had a bigger impact.

However, if all those buck were from 2G, which has the lowest buck harvest rate in the state ,why aren't we seeing lots of pictures like that from 2B and 5C with much higher buck harvest rates?

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Yes Bluebird, you did completley dismsmiss the rain last year as being any factor whatsoever in either the buck or the doe kill. I agree that the doe kill caught up but that the buck kill was negatively affected simply because that big first couple of days never gets replicated and after the opener, the occasional hunter who does venture back out after the gun opener will most certainly take the firstdoe they see and not wait even for anotherfew hours for that buck. As you said, the 2008 report will reveal a lot.


Big truckload pics like that are unusual even in the best of areas and I can't speak for 5C,but there areplenty like that being harvested in 2B and 2D and plenty of pics floating around. So much so that many bucks that used to generate a ruckus when brought to the gun orbow shopdon't even get a second glance.

I can also say that the 2F bucks are vastly improved. It's now normal to see several very nice bucks in each issue of the Forest Press, atiny paper published in Tionesta PA, every season. Even in the heart of 2F, guys no longer simply describe a deer as an 8 pointer or a 10 pointer. Now when somenoe talks about a big buck, they'll often describe it the way folks in the big buck midwest do. Instead of simply saying it was a big 10, they'll say something like " I saw a 140" buck" I take that as a sign that the bar has been raised even in the ANF big woods

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But why would they be unusual if ARs doubled the number of 2.5+ buck as Alt claimed. There should be lots of pics of gangs with 5 or 6 six big buck in a truck. Where are all the pics of the camp meat poles with all the big bucks hanging? Instead, what i am hearing are the reports of empty meat poles with very few deer sighted.

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First, it's been agreed over and over that Alt made a misrepresentation way back when AR started.Time to get over it and move on.

Truckload pics like thatare rare even in the best big buck counties of Illinoiswhere I hunt each year simply because situations rarely arise where a large number gets harvested within a short enough timeline that they all get put together for a photo.

The days of the deer laden meat pole in PA were fading away even before AR/HR. Gangs at camps have steadily gotten smaller and smaller.Even in the biggest deer camps in PA, most deer never make it to a meat pole any moresimply because people don't stay near as long as they used to. The deer never gets taken out of the back of the truck

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There are still a lot of camps with 30-40 members that hunt the first 2 or 3 days and harvest 5-10 bucks those first 3 days and if they are lucky maybe one of those buck will equal one of those buck in the truck. therefore, the pic of the bucks in the truck is not representative of what most camps and most hunters are experiencing.

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There are still a lot of camps with 30-40 guys who hunt the first 3 days and kill 5-10 bucks and if they are lucky one of those buck might equal one of the bucks in the pic. The fact is the pic does not represent what most camps and most hunters are experiencing.

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Exactly what part of

"Big truckload pics like that are unusual even in the best of areas"

didn't you understand the first two times I posted it? Thanks for proving once again that your only purpose for posting here is simply to perpetuate arguements.

Dead horses and BLAH BLAH BLAH are the only real responses you really deserve.

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Which means they should be rare or non-existent in poor areas like 2G. You can't have it both ways.

To add some perspective the those buck, if 60% of the 2.5+ buck harvested in 2007 were 8 pts,approx. one out of 32 hunters harvested an 8 +pt . 2.5+ buck. So a camp with 30 hunters would be lucky to harvest one ,2.5+ 8 pt. per season. In a poor area like 2G , it might average one 2.5+ 8 pt for every 50-60 hunters.

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Like I said, the only response you deserve is.......

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Alt may be gone, but his followers still preach for him.

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Alt wasnt speaking for himself. He was speaking as a rep. of PGC. More than ALt has stated the crock about more and bigger buck and it continues to be pgcs postion even since Alt.

Pgc and the audubon crew simply used Alt as their spokesman. Him being gone now is meaningless. The same treehugger influence and rhetoric is alive and well at Elmerton Avenue.

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Well, if that's true, you should have no problem naming the others who said it and producing quotes.

Somehow, I don't expect you'll be able to do that

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It was published in the Hunting Digest which speaks for the entire PGC.

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Yep, it WAS published in the digest when Alt was running things. Selling AR was his job. What he said was quoted. It was the wrong way to pitch the program. All that has been said. That was then, this is now. Time to get over it and move on. Alt has been gone for 5 years and that erroneous promise went with him. The inability to move on from the past is exactly what you and the other whiners still suffer from.

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It was published in the Digest long after Alt had departed. They only changed it for the 2008 Digest.

Alt also preferred and over kill to and under kill and the PGC is continuing that policy.

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Was stated by others as well, one of which Rosenberry....Cant remember for sure, butthere was another which MIGHT have been dubrock...Anyway This was discussed awhile back by us on Pa sportsman portal. I dont wish to search the archives or rehunt down the quotes. Ask your friend bowbum/Hermit. He said exactly what you are saying btb, that that was an Alt comment solely. He was made to look extremely foolish when 3 or 4 quotes from others were provided. LOL I can hear him still stuttering months later> (LOL) Im in the middle of a workout and not in the mood to hunt for quotes. I don't lie. But if you choose to disbelieve, Im willing to live with that at the moment too. (LOL);)

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You guys piss and moan about anything you can find to piss and moan about. If you want to act like a bunch of old ladies go find a Martha Stewart web site. This confrontational bu11**** is just that. BTBowhunter or what ever you call yourself give up the answer if you know where these were all shot. Just cause they were at Cesna's doesn't mean anything. Fact is you were notpresent when they were shot so you can't tell anyone anything as to where they were taken. Guys stage photos all the time and with Photo shop you can do just about anything to fool the average Joe.

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Just wanted to note, some of these deer are illegally tagged. (of the tags I see)


Gee RSB, I'd think you'd been chompin at the bit to go fine these guys.



Notice the tags wrapped around the antler? In PA deer must have the tag in the ear, not wrapped around the antler beam.

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Read the whole thread WW. The so called ilegal tags are explained a few pages back. There are many where the PA tags arent visible. Presumably they're in the ear where they belong,but I see none with a PA deer tag in the wrong place.

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Do tags have to remain on the ear after the deer is processed?

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Title 34 sec 2323 (a) (1)

last sentence:

"The atached game kill tag shall remain on the big game until such time as the big game is processed for consumption or prepared for mounting"

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Do you not fall into that same category whenquestioning the photos may be staged? Is this not confrontational bu11**** when your asking the submitter of the photo proof of what WMU these buck where taken.After the submitter of the photo "already" stated the photo and info came from another source. A few people that replied to this topic,said they know Cesna. If I for one wanted to discredit this photo or what WMU they where taken, I would be giving Cesna a call!

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X2

Hey BT! Do I win a prize for being the first with the correct answer?:D


Hatchet Jack

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Those are NY Bucks - Be interesting to hear their collective story,

FH

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That buck in the bottom right corner with the small drop tine is 155"+ if he is an inch. Where were all those brutes during the last scoring session? Our state recognizes bucks down to 115", of which many in that truck surpass.

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Our state will recognize a minimum deer score of 105.[/align][/align]In order to be considered for Pennsylvania's Big Game Records, minimum scores - including the margin of coming within 10 points (or one inch for bear) - for the various categories are: 130 for typical whitetail taken with a firearm; 105 for typical whitetail taken with archery; 150 for non-typical whitetail taken with a firearm; 125 for non-typical whitetail taken with archery; 18 for black bear taken with a firearm; 16 for black bear taken with archery; 290 for typical elk taken with a firearm; 190 for typical elk taken with archery; 315 for non-typical elk taken with a firearm; and 265 for non-typical elk taken with archery. [/align]

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Absolutely Jack!
The prize is one million dollars :D:Dpayable at the rate of $1 per year for one million years. Checks will be issued every February 30th;)

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The most likely reason those bucks didnt show up at the last scoring session would be that they were still in velvet at that time and probably a still little shy about being measured

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and call BULLS@!& on this one. Those look nothing like any PA buck tag I have ever seen. More like the antlerless tag, but not a general license PA tag.

If I'm wrong, I apologize to the hunters who took these great bucks. Yes, it is possible in some areas of PA, we've seen it time and time again. I'm just not sure how valid this pic really is of being a PA harvest.

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There is nothing fake or staged about the picture.Back in January I had to see a guy that works for that taxidermist and I saw that picture on their computer as a screen saver.I asked the owner's wife to e-mail it to me when I got back to work.From what they told me,those bucks were from the last thursday of the season.This taxidermist is locateda few miles from my house in 2G.I think he told me 9 of those bucks came from public land.I know the guy who shot the big buck in the lower right hand corner.The day I was in the shop,he had almost 400 bucks being brought in and guys were still bringing them in.I'm positive that he broke the 400 mark.It's true that not every deer he mounts is from 2G or Pa for that matter.However,the vast majority of bucks are taken in either 2G,2F or 2E.The point point is,his business has actually picked up and he's mounting much larger bucks than ever before.Prior to AR he was lucky to get 2-3 bucks a year with spreads around 20 inches.Now he's doing more than 50 a year that big,not to mention all the ones that came in just shy.When you walk in there and see all those racks,it's simply mind bogling that anyone copuld complainabout how poor the hunting is.

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The tags on the antlers are from the taxidermist.The picture came from me and it's 100% legitimate.

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Anyone who may think this photo was staged take a good look. The light from the flash is one directional. Second you will see a small reflection of the flash in the lower left of the cab window.To clone in deer from other photos, you would absolutely loose that directional lighting.

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LOL...you got me with that one!.....I really set myself up there.....Maybe we will see them at the next one. I'm really curious what some of those deer scored, that one I mentioned earlier (bottom right) is a PIG! If that is true that 9 of the 11 came from public land, someone is doing it right, or else very lucky!

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Thanks again for sharing that pic Doug. I figured I'd wait and let you take credit for it rather than disclose my source right away.;)

I have to say that I get to hunt in the best part of Illionis each year and that truckload would stop traffic out there too. Truly some magnificent animals.

Of course, it's happening all over PA. Here's an outfitter doing a brisk business in 2F and putting his hunters on public ground and his clients are harvesting some very nice bucks.

http://www.alleghenywildernessoutfitter.com/

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I can see no discrepancy with the tags on the antlers. Every taxidermistI know uses some form of tag to identify the customer belonging to each rack, another tag affixed to the capes before they are sent to be tanned, so they get back with the matching rack, and every taxidermist uses a different style of tag. While the bucks are definite eye poppers, and all arguments of AR aside....I wouldn't call BS unless there was more evidence of it. It seems a quick call or visit to the taxidermist in question would quickly dispel any myths, so the odds of getting away with posting a doctored photo or a false claim of origin would not be in Doug's favor.Yes, those are gagger bucks. Yes, some guys are obviously still killing them here in PA.

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LOL, I do it all the time. and "oftener" with each passing year;)


Here's my guesstimate of that guy on the bottom left


Left Right
M 22 22
G1 3 3 (WAG! cant see it)
G28 8
G3 7 4/8 9
G4 45 4/8

H1 4 4 WAG!
H24 4 WAG!
H3 4 4/8 4
H4 44
total 57 63 4/8

Abnormal points 1

Inside spread 18

Total gross 139 4/8 net 135 4/8

JMHO!!! from one picture ;)

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The guy that killed that buck owns a business in Dubois.It scored right around 150.I'm not positive but I think it was killed in Elk county.My buddy's step son killed the largest one brought into that taxidermist this year and it scored just under 160 and was aged at 7 1/2 .That buck isn't in the pictureand it was killed in elk state forest nearSinnemahoning.Last year,he had a buck in that scored just under 190.

Anyone that knows me,would realize that I wouldn't know how to doctor up a picture.I didn't even know how to post it for crying out loud.That picture is the screen saver on the computer for Cessna's taxidermy.I saw it and had them e-mail it my computer at work.There's nothing phony about it.The guy in the picture is Cliff Cessna.There's also another picture with the same deer that hasone ofhis employees in it.

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Cessna's taxidermy 814-371-7639.Call and tell Cliff AR's don't work and don't forget to let him know how few deer are out there.Be ready to burn some minutes on that phone call.Picture is legit.