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Old 02-16-2009 | 09:52 AM
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Not only are S.G.L. over hunted they are hunted from the same parking lots year after year.
One of the last years we hunted at camp we hunted a game lands toward the end of the season and we saw little or no deer,the next year we got a map of the area and walked in from the back side early before the first day. My wife and I both shot bucks before noon,bucks that were sneaking out the back side.
You don't have to go way back, you have to go where others won't.
at times, a deer track is as elusive as cougar track on SGL land
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Old 02-16-2009 | 09:59 AM
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Not only are S.G.L. over hunted they are hunted from the same parking lots year after year.
One of the last years we hunted at camp we hunted a game lands toward the end of the season and we saw little or no deer,the next year we got a map of the area and walked in from the back side early before the first day. My wife and I both shot bucks before noon,bucks that were sneaking out the back side.
You don't have to go way back, you have to go where others won't.
at times, a deer track is as elusive as cougar track on SGL land
I thought every one knew cougars went south for the winter.

You guys cutting any browse over there? Since I started cutting maple a couple fo weeks ago the number ofdeer at my feeders is really down,they love those maple buds.
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Old 02-16-2009 | 10:07 AM
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they wont let us do it on SFL anymore.

i bent a few smalltrees down and tie them with a string, they nibble tops off a little.then i cut strings in spring and let tree pop back up.


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Old 02-16-2009 | 10:39 AM
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they wont let us do it on SFL anymore.

i bent a few smalltrees down and tie them with a string, they nibble tops off a little.then i cut strings in spring and let tree pop back up.
So who prevents habitat improvements on state forest? What sense does that make,its like weeding a garden,if you want quality you have to pull the weeds,
Cutting soft maple in the winter is a win - win,it feeds deer at their hardest time of year and opens the canopy so sun light reaches the forest floor so desirable trees can grow.
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Old 02-16-2009 | 10:48 AM
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You don't have to go way back, you have to go where others won't.

EGGZACKLY!!! My hearts too screwed up these days to simply go way back but there's still lots of opportunity for those who think about it, plan for it and work their plan.
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Old 02-16-2009 | 10:50 AM
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You don't have to go way back, you have to go where others won't.

EGGZACKLY!!! My hearts too screwed up these days to simply go way back but there's still lots of opportunity for those who think about it, plan for it and work their plan.

where is wayback
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Old 02-16-2009 | 11:04 AM
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You don't have to go way back, you have to go where others won't.

EGGZACKLY!!! My hearts too screwed up these days to simply go way back but there's still lots of opportunity for those who think about it, plan for it and work their plan.

where is wayback
In the case I was talking about I found an old well road that had been abandoned years ago, itcircled around the back side of a very steep hill side. Two bucks in 4 hours.
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Old 02-16-2009 | 12:17 PM
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I had once posted on that PGC site, that my father told me that years ago, they had stocked deer from another state in the Poconos and cut off the bucks horn to save them from breeding. RSB and people like you, jumped all over me and said they never stocked deer in PA. Finally, I think it was John S, said yes they did and also in the NC.

Another time on a discussion of the difference in weather in different parts of PA. I live in Lehigh County now, stated that when I croosed the Blue Mountain into Carbon County the temp decreased five degrees and when going into the Poconos it decreased another five degrees. You friend RSB, jumped all over me again, he said that was impossible and couldn't be true. Finally someone that was also from the area, confirmed what I said. That was the end of the Almight RSB, but don't ever expect him to admit he was wrong.

The way I see it with you and your two buddies, RSB is using the three of you to try and get those that disagree with PGC into an argument to get thrown off this site. I'm happy to see the game plan isn't working and you look like a fool, with your white dead talking horse.

I think your father spared the rod and ruined the child.




Where did you come up with that BS?

At this point I don’t k now if you are just seriously confused about what was posted and by whom, if you dream things and think they are reality, have reached serious senility, or if you are nothing more then a malicious liar.

What I do know is that I never challenged anyone about deer being restocked in this state. I have know for many decades that the deer were almost no existent by the end of the eighteen hundreds and that deer were brought in and stocked in this state. In fact I have seen the pictures of those deer being stocked and even have some of the data on how many in the various counties.

I also know that would never challenge a person over temperature changes from area to another. I see major temperature changes all the time right here in this area. I can drive from the bottom to the top of the mountain and see not only a major temperature change but go from no snow to several inches of snow. There are time when I can look out my windows and see bare ground all around and by simply looking across the valley at the facing mountain side and see the snow line half way up the mountain. I have driven on dry roads and headed up that mountain and within five minutes have driven into road conditions that had traffic at a stand still due to snow and ice.

If you can find where I made the comments you claim I did how about you copy and pasting them over for all to see. You can’t do that though because such comments don’t exist. Perhaps your dad didn’t teach to be as honorable as you claim but in my effort to give you the benefit of the doubt, I will concede that perhaps you really are just becoming extremely confused in your senior years.

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Old 02-16-2009 | 12:45 PM
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where is wayback
Wayback is easy to find! Just follow the deer tracks! When you find deer tracks that are still full, you've found wayback
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Old 02-16-2009 | 12:46 PM
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The adult doe breeding rates, from the highway killed deer I have checked, for the same time five year time periods have also shown a great improvement of 84.4% adult doe being bred before antler restrictions to 98.0% being bred since. Also before antler restrictions it took over five months to get those adult does bred, but since antler restrictions that breeding window has declined to six weeks and even included the few juvenile doe that were bred.
If the breeding rate in your area increased by over 13 % , can you explain why there weren't similar increases in the other 21 WMU?Why didn't the statewide average increase by 4 or 5% rather than decreasing by 5%?
The fawn recruitment rates in this area have also improved since antler restrictions, based on the number of fawns per adult doe the volunteer survey teams have seen. Before antler restrictions the five year average was .54 fawns per adult doe and has increased to .63 fawns per adult doe since antler restrictions.
Since the deer in 2G have twice as much food/deer than they had 10 years ago, why is the reproductive rate only .64 when the statewide average is around .99 fawns/adult doe?

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