Richard we both know that you are the liar and that these things actually happened. I joined that PGC site 12/13/05 and questioned you on a few things, that was was downfall over there, had I praised everything you said, I would have stayed in your good graces. NOw whether you knew about the deer or the change in weather, I do not know and can't prove one way or the other. With youragenda I would put it past you, to play dumb as a fox to silence the opposition.

I haven't participated in that PGC site, for over two years now, except for an occasional post in the habitat forum. We both know that my posts on the subject, wouldn't be there anymore, since they are over two years old.

My name over there is RWBROOKSJR, go ahead and get me thrown off, I could care less as that group os mostly made up of cry babies, crying about our poor PGC and theindependent thinking hunters.

I was in a bar one night and the bartendersaid he was about to throw me out. I said, "go ahead, I've been thrown out of better place than this before". That's how I feel about your suck up site and your blind followers.

Why do you keep lying about what I post ? Not once have you been able to prove the data I posted was false or manipulated in any way. You constantly make false and malicious accusations and don't even attempt to support them with facts. You are about as low as it gets on this MB.

Your post doesn't merit a reply. It's like talking to that white horse you post.

When I bash the PGC, I do it for the SGL hunters, not for myself, I have my own land to hunt, which is posted and all the land around me, therefore HR has no effect on me. Just because I can go out hunting for two hours and see deer more than 50% of the time, is no reason to bury my head in the sand and say that hunting is great for everyone.

That is the data from the highway killed deer I have examined and submitted, to Harrisburg, for the breeding and reproductive rates. The deer that provided that data came from both WMU 2F and 2G, for both before and after antler restrictions.


Since it was the deer that provided the data I have great confidence in it being reflective of what is happening in this area. I don’t think the deer have the ability to provide incorrect data, especially when the other supporting data in the buck/doe ratios and fawn recruitment rates from the volunteer survey routes shows the same improving trends.


The data I collect does go to the biologists in Harrisburg. It is the Biologists who set up the methods and precedures for collecting the data and then those of us in the field use those methods for recovering the data.

It is then combined with the data from the other WCOs in the units, compiled and used for developing the management objectives and goals for those respective management units.



What do you mean hard to prove?

When I remove embryos from a dead doe I have a length measurement scale that tells me how many days old those embryos are. Another part of the scale can be used to determine the date that doe was bred based on the age of the embryos. I do that on every fawn embryo I pull out of a dead doe and have been doing so for many years now.

Therefore, I do know when those does from before to after antler restrictions were being bred. Prior to antler restrictions I found adult does bred as late as February 23rd. Since antler restrictions started putting more bucks into the fall deer population I have not had any does bred later then the middle of December.

That is a major improvement that I believe in time could lead to even more juvenile does reaching breeding weight during the normal period November and December. As we have fewer late born fawns, from the adult does that are now being bred during the correct time period it is very possible that we will see an increase in the number of juvenile does being bred even in the northern tier areas.



That isn’t necessarily true. Though a high percentage of the does bred in December and January have typically been the juvenile does we might find that a higher percentage of them will be bred in the more traditional time period of November once the late breeding of the adult does improves and more of the fawns are born on time to reach the correct weight by their first fall.

Even if they aren’t bred until January that is still better then not having been bred at all which is what was happening before antler restrictions. We are starting to see fawns that are up to breeding weight in the November and December and also seeing a more of them being bred then was occurring before.



Though the habitat in this part of the state has been seriously damaged, by the decades of far too many deer, that deer population in recent yearsdeclined to the point the habitat has started the process of recovery. I am pleased to say that it is even recovering faster then I and many other expected.

Absolutely it was that poor habitat, combined with the lack of mast and back to back harsh winters that set up the environmental conditions, that resulted in the horribly low fawn recruitment rates and low deer numbers we experienced for several years.

There is also no question that hunters harvested more deer in those years then were recruited but it was the sharp decline in recruitment that set that stage for those low deer numbers over the past few years. That was really nothing more then nature doing what man failed to do in it promise that nothign can long exist in populations higher then its food supply.

With the lower deer number the habitat started to improve. That improving habitat, theslowing increasing fawn recruitment and deer numbers will just be a short lived improvement though if hunters aren’t wise enough to continue holding those over winter deer numbers at a level that allows for continuing habitat recovery.


If you think that makes me look foolish then about all I can say is that perhaps it is really just due to a lack of knowledge of the person doing the viewing.


R.S. Bodenhorn

You can’t produce where I said those things because I never said them and you know it.

I have know who you were since you started posting, you didn’t have to tell me.

I guess your recent post tells me what kind of person you really are though. You Sir, are not only a liar but a malicious one. When someone lies about another person they are not only malicious but a person of no integrity or honor. I now believe you have neither of those attributes.

If I had said those things you would have no problem digging them up and posting them here to prove you honor, but you can’t so you will not.

R.S. Bodenhorn

Without a doubt you do in fact look extremely foolish since the PGC said the 2007 harvest reduced the herd in 2G by 23%. The increased breeding rates and increased productivity doesn't mean anything when the PGC issues more than enough tags to produce a harvest that exceeds recruitment.

If I ever attend a PGC meeting, I'll be sure to look you up. I won't have a copy of your post, but I expect you to own up to what you just said.

did you know that deer and elk were brought in by TRAINto renovo yardand stocked in renovo area.

i have dates on that too.

Predictable response when one has lost a debate and has nothing of value with which to reply.

Here you go with the posts you said wouldn’t exist anymore.

I have done all the work of digging things up for you to prove where I challenged you on the weather of your area or said that deer were never stocked. As I read the posts it seems it was you that was doing all of the challenging and I never claimed there couldn’t be those temperature variances and flat out told you right from the first of your post on the subject that in deed deer had been stocked and that I have pictures to prove it.

So how about you pointing out what you claim I said?


http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=39932&Num ber=409155#Post409155


You can surely now find what you claim exists and copy and paste from there.

Here is where you made that same claim about me stating deer weren’t stocked in this state two years ago and where I asked you to provide the posts back then. Just as now you couldn’t do it because it never happened.

I think you just make things up, or perhaps you really are losing your mind.


http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=24104&Num ber=240681#Post240681


I have been back over all of you posts on that other sight and these are the only posts on those two subjects that I could find. If you can find any that support what you claim then post them. But, I know you can’t because they simply don’t exist and never did exist.

Did you dream it or did you just make it up out maliciousness when you couldn't defend your opinions with facts anddecided to resort to lies in order to discredit another person?

R.S. Bodenhorn