RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

You are just blowing smoke and have no idea what you are talking about. WMU 2G could support as many if not more deer than 2F if the PGC would reduce the antlerless allocations. But ,for some unknown reason that neither you or I can explain the PGC is managing the herds at dramatically different DDs.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

You can't refute me with any real facts so you resort to character assassination. Try harder.
You base your position on the fact that it happened in the past, so it must be ok. The 40 dpsm only gave the fuel for hr.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

I'd rather be know as letting a 10 year old harvest a doe and putting someone elses tag on it, than what you and your friends do. To snare a buck, have the WCO put it down for you and then tag it as a bow harvest, shows how hard up you guys are for a deer.

I never had the urge to hunt the NC deer farm, wanting to see 75 to 100 deer a day is for city slickers like yourself. As far as I'm concerned the PGC should have kept the tags high in 2G, like they did everywhere else in the state, then they could have stopped the slaughter in the better habitat.

If the NC had better habitat, guys like you would never even see a deer, deer in my area don't walk around all day looking for food like they do in the NC.

My cousins husband also has a bad case from a tick bite, he can't work anymore and half the time doesn't know he is talking about. Get my drift.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

If I recall, DougE claimed that many of his 2G and 4D public land hotspots are very steep slopes. He may correct me if I'm wrong. In my own personal experiences, deer frequently use steep slopes, and many steep slopes boast old, mature oaks and even a few remnant chestnuts that survived the saws (but sadly not the blight.) The steepness of the terrain often dissuaded the loggers, and often today dissuades all but the heartiest hunters. South facing slopes are a late season hunter's dream, for obvious reasons being the faster snow melt, thermal advantages, easy escape, beneficial wind currents, and the photosynthetic advantage of the browse found there. Of course not to mention the refuge the deer seek there when the orange army invades each fall. Add even a trace of a bench on that slope and you have a natural travel corridor as well as a preffered bedding area. So have you hunted deer long?;)

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

Now saying someone is just blowing smoke is character assassination?


The fact still remains that neither you, RSB,BTB or anyone else can list the criteria that would justify why the PGC is managing 2F at 22 PS DPSM and 2G at 12 PS DPSM. Are you now claiming the PGC is lying about using herd and forest health as the basis for allocating doe tags and managing the herd?

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

I thought you meant the Ganja.:D

Slopes are one thing, sheer cliffs with no browse are another. In winter with heavy snow and ice, deer will avoid very steep slopes and winter where deer like to do that sort of thing. You guys are twistin' yet again. Of course you might see deer there earlier in winter and when they get chased there to seek refuge. The deer live on in the wilds long after the hunters have gone. They actually do.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

I see you want to talk about anything but why the two WMUs are managed at different densities. That is a common tactic used by those that can't answer the question.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

Listen, if you paid any attention, I have been at odds with Doug at times because I do believe that the DD is mismanaged in many areas. That is why I believe in smaller WMU's. Everyone likes to go to the big woods for the great hunt, but often the heavy deer concentrations are elsewhere in that WMU. They treat a huge area as one pie. Unfortunately, deer do travel and choose where they want to go. We can't distribute them evenly like pepperoni on a pizza where everybody that partakes will get a piece. You have to decide if you want that wild experience, or a better chance at a deer. Sometimes you get both.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

Screaming steel.I don't ever remember saying I hunted 4D.I did when I was in college but that was over 20 years ago.I do hunt some spots that have very steep slopes but Idon't actually hunt on the slopes themselves.I usually find a bench or hunt the flats on top or at the bottom of these areas.There's areas I know of that I honestly couldn't imagine how a person could traverse the slopes.I messed up a few years ago while dragging a deer back to my truck.I literally had to hold on to trees and push the deer down almost verticle inclines.Surprising,the deer do move around these areas pretty freely.The steep ridges save alot of of deer.In northern 2Gthere's vaststeep areas that get very little hunting pressure.It's fun to stillhunt the tops of these ridges if there's a bench just below the top.At the first wiff of human scent,these deerjust drop off the face of these slopes.It's a touigh hunt but rewarding when sneak up a some bedded deer.

The lower half of 2G have some steep hills but it's really a much different landscape.

The deer really can use most of the available habitat when there's no snow on the ground.Some of it's good and much of it is poor.The problem arises during winter when we have prolonged preiods of snow.The deer get pushed off of the higher ridge tops and move intop the valleys.We run into a problem when the there isn't sufficient browse in the lower elevations.Even with a lower deer density,enough deer concentrate in tese areas to devistate what habitat is there.All the browse in the world on the ridge topsdoesn't do the deer any good if they can't get at it.I took a ride this past summer with our district forester to look at many of their timber sales and shelter wood cuts.Alot of the cuts on the ridge tops were regenerating very well and they weren't fence.Part of the reason was lower deer denities and part of the reason was that there's almost no deer in those areas during the winter,when most of the damage occurs.R.S.B also has some excellent examples of the same thing in his district.Managing the habitat in mountainous regions id definately different than managing it in low lying areas.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
 

You say what I mean so well, Doug.;)