2008 Big Game records
01-28-2009 | 06:13 AM
#91
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RE: 2008 Big Game records
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.
No hunters shouldn’t be the only ones the Game Commission listens to. In fact the Pennsylvania Constitutions specifically requires the management of our resources FOR ALL of the Commonwealth citizens.
And, I don’t work for you. I work for the resources and all of the Citizens of this Commonwealth.
Hunters have in the past chosen to be the ones paying for wildlife management. I can assure you that don’t care if hunters fund the agency or not, in fact I am becoming more and more convinced that wildlife management would be better off if we worked from the general fund and told hunter to take a flying leap with their money. If hunters don’t want to pay for wildlife management there are many others that do care about wildlife that will be very willing to demand that wildlife management be funded through general tax dollars. Personally I think that would work a whole lot better then this hunter and political blackmail.
Mission Statement:
1. The Game Commission is responsible
for managing all wild birds,
mammals and their habitats for
current and future generations.
This mission statement provides initial
guidance to the deer management
program. Based on this mission statement,
the Game Commission is to manage
for all wildlife and their habitats,
not just deer, and to manage wildlife for
future generations, not just today or next
hunting season. In essence, the Game
Commission manages deer within the
context of benefits for deer, other wildlife
and habitat in both the short and
long term.
Here is a link to the some other information that you might be able to learn from if you are capable of opening your mind enough to accept any new information, ideas or concepts.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/digestpdfs/2007/annual/annual_deer_management.pdf
R.S. Bodenhorn
ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack
You forget who pays your salary in that state? Shouldn't only the hunters be voiced there? What gives the others who don't contribute to the PGC have a say so on wildlife?
How would your commision function without hunters? How would you be able to continue your wildlife programs of non hunting species if hunters wouldn't buy a license? I think you forgot who you work for. You work for the people who pay your salary. You people in PA. need to call them on who they work for. Who has priority over who. Hunters have the largest say so over any other group out there. Why, Because they pay the PGC bills.
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.
No one said only 60% of the people in Pennsylvania were satisfied with the Game Commission. You would have to poll a cross section of all of the Commonwealth citizen to find out what the customers, as you call them, think. Hunters are NOT the only ones that have an interest in wildlife issues. Such polls have been done and the ratings show that the vast majority do support the management provided by the Game Commission. When I get time I will try to look that up and provide a link for since you.
The Game Commission isn’t in existence to satisfy customers though. The mission is to manage all of the state’s wildlife resources and their habitat for all of the citizens including future generations.
If 63% are happy with the antler restrictions that is a positive not a negative, except perhaps for those that simply don’t like them or have some agenda besides sound wildlife management they wish to promote.
R.S. Bodenhorn
ORIGINAL: the outsider
So, how accurate are the polls? And I wouldn't be bragging about 60% customer satisfaction. If 40% of my customers were dissatisfied with my performance, I'd be fired.
So, how accurate are the polls? And I wouldn't be bragging about 60% customer satisfaction. If 40% of my customers were dissatisfied with my performance, I'd be fired.
No one said only 60% of the people in Pennsylvania were satisfied with the Game Commission. You would have to poll a cross section of all of the Commonwealth citizen to find out what the customers, as you call them, think. Hunters are NOT the only ones that have an interest in wildlife issues. Such polls have been done and the ratings show that the vast majority do support the management provided by the Game Commission. When I get time I will try to look that up and provide a link for since you.
The Game Commission isn’t in existence to satisfy customers though. The mission is to manage all of the state’s wildlife resources and their habitat for all of the citizens including future generations.
If 63% are happy with the antler restrictions that is a positive not a negative, except perhaps for those that simply don’t like them or have some agenda besides sound wildlife management they wish to promote.
R.S. Bodenhorn
How would your commision function without hunters? How would you be able to continue your wildlife programs of non hunting species if hunters wouldn't buy a license? I think you forgot who you work for. You work for the people who pay your salary. You people in PA. need to call them on who they work for. Who has priority over who. Hunters have the largest say so over any other group out there. Why, Because they pay the PGC bills.
No hunters shouldn’t be the only ones the Game Commission listens to. In fact the Pennsylvania Constitutions specifically requires the management of our resources FOR ALL of the Commonwealth citizens.
And, I don’t work for you. I work for the resources and all of the Citizens of this Commonwealth.
Hunters have in the past chosen to be the ones paying for wildlife management. I can assure you that don’t care if hunters fund the agency or not, in fact I am becoming more and more convinced that wildlife management would be better off if we worked from the general fund and told hunter to take a flying leap with their money. If hunters don’t want to pay for wildlife management there are many others that do care about wildlife that will be very willing to demand that wildlife management be funded through general tax dollars. Personally I think that would work a whole lot better then this hunter and political blackmail.
Mission Statement:
1. The Game Commission is responsible
for managing all wild birds,
mammals and their habitats for
current and future generations.
This mission statement provides initial
guidance to the deer management
program. Based on this mission statement,
the Game Commission is to manage
for all wildlife and their habitats,
not just deer, and to manage wildlife for
future generations, not just today or next
hunting season. In essence, the Game
Commission manages deer within the
context of benefits for deer, other wildlife
and habitat in both the short and
long term.
Here is a link to the some other information that you might be able to learn from if you are capable of opening your mind enough to accept any new information, ideas or concepts.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/digestpdfs/2007/annual/annual_deer_management.pdf
R.S. Bodenhorn
01-28-2009 | 06:32 AM
#92
Nontypical Buck
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From: 3c pa
RE: 2008 Big Game records
its kinda dissapointing to see a alleged wco thinking hunters should take a flying leap with there money
thats a anti statment imho
yes they are suppose to manage all wildlife for all citizens and to many people pgc isnt doing a good job
thats a anti statment imho
yes they are suppose to manage all wildlife for all citizens and to many people pgc isnt doing a good job
01-28-2009 | 06:45 AM
#93
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RE: 2008 Big Game records
Now shouldn't the polls that was so called taken on ARs be considered who was asked about ARs? If everyone is involved and represented by the PGC for all wildlife,Can we be sure that only hunters have taken the polls?
If you all couldn't see what the PGC agenda is before,I hope you got it this time. They want tax payers to pay their salary along with a hunting license fee.They talk about us not being like other states but want to tax people like other states to pay their salary. The birdy foundation should of threw flags up when they supported it with open arms. The PGC is no longer for the hunters as RSB has just proven from his statement. Maybe now you PA hunters might know who the enemy is? Xbows in archery season and no smoke pole stamp can be used and only archery stamp. BTB pointed out because of the cost of archery stamp is more. Yep, it is no longer about hunters. It's all about the mighty $$$.
If you all couldn't see what the PGC agenda is before,I hope you got it this time. They want tax payers to pay their salary along with a hunting license fee.They talk about us not being like other states but want to tax people like other states to pay their salary. The birdy foundation should of threw flags up when they supported it with open arms. The PGC is no longer for the hunters as RSB has just proven from his statement. Maybe now you PA hunters might know who the enemy is? Xbows in archery season and no smoke pole stamp can be used and only archery stamp. BTB pointed out because of the cost of archery stamp is more. Yep, it is no longer about hunters. It's all about the mighty $$$.
01-28-2009 | 07:27 AM
#94
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA
RE: 2008 Big Game records
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
What I am saying is neither BTB or Dr. Kroll have any idea what they are talking about.
What I am saying is neither BTB or Dr. Kroll have any idea what they are talking about.
Dr. Kroll is best known for his work with white-tailed deer throughout the United States. He is the author of ten books, five videos, has a regular presentation on the Fox Outdoors Network and writes for 38 outdoor magazines. A distinguished graduate of Texas A&M University, he came to SFA in 1973 to develop a wildlife teaching and research program. He was awarded the highest honor possible for a SFA professor, the Regents' Professorship and is an Alumni Association Distinguished Professor.
Yea sounds like he hasn't a clue.
01-28-2009 | 07:30 AM
#95
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RE: 2008 Big Game records
Maybe the USP can use his statement as a representation of how the PGC thinks. I wasn't to supportive of the USP. But now it does look like they are looking more so out for the hunters than the PGC. Maybe should support the USP so you citizens won't have to pay taxes for the PGC. Let the USP take over and see how they can manage the wildlife for us hunters.
01-28-2009 | 07:51 AM
#96
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Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
RE: 2008 Big Game records
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
What I am saying is neither BTB or Dr. Kroll have any idea what they are talking about.
What I am saying is neither BTB or Dr. Kroll have any idea what they are talking about.
And I am saying that you are an uninformed, self absorbed, arrogantjackass
01-28-2009 | 08:31 AM
#97
Nontypical Buck
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RE: 2008 Big Game records
Actually Kroll was a jackass for claiming that the results from Miss. were based on "once a spike al,ways a spike", when the vast majority of Miss. buck start out as spikes.
Lots of well educate ,well respected tell lies and made dumb statements . Alt was highly respected yet he sold his program based on lies and misleading claims about what the plan would produce.
Lots of well educate ,well respected tell lies and made dumb statements . Alt was highly respected yet he sold his program based on lies and misleading claims about what the plan would produce.
01-28-2009 | 09:06 AM
#98
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA
RE: 2008 Big Game records
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Actually Kroll was a jackass for claiming that the results from Miss. were based on "once a spike al,ways a spike", when the vast majority of Miss. buck start out as spikes.
Lots of well educate ,well respected tell lies and made dumb statements . Alt was highly respected yet he sold his program based on lies and misleading claims about what the plan would produce.
Actually Kroll was a jackass for claiming that the results from Miss. were based on "once a spike al,ways a spike", when the vast majority of Miss. buck start out as spikes.
Lots of well educate ,well respected tell lies and made dumb statements . Alt was highly respected yet he sold his program based on lies and misleading claims about what the plan would produce.
Thank god your here to lead us to salvation, god knows you couldn't lead us to a deer.
When is your next book coming out? [&:]
01-28-2009 | 09:13 AM
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RE: 2008 Big Game records
"Who pays your salary RSB? If I pay your salary,You work for me."
He doesnt work for me. He wouldnt be working ifhis job was dependant upon my support. He'd be sweatin' over the griddle at Mickey D's with spatula in hand and have the responsibility offirmly reprimandinganyone sticking gum to the bottom of the tables.
"I bet your comment above just pissed off alot of hunters."
Rsb has made those same anti-hunter sentiments onhpa for nearly a decade now. That drivel is unfortunately nothing new. His attitude is VERY representative of the higher ups and the eco-freak boc majority. Go to the audubon society website. You'll find statements made by them that mirror pgcs and rsb in regards to the low view of hunters and the desire to remove them from thesole funding role and remove them further from any management decisionnearly word for word.
He doesnt work for me. He wouldnt be working ifhis job was dependant upon my support. He'd be sweatin' over the griddle at Mickey D's with spatula in hand and have the responsibility offirmly reprimandinganyone sticking gum to the bottom of the tables.
"I bet your comment above just pissed off alot of hunters."
Rsb has made those same anti-hunter sentiments onhpa for nearly a decade now. That drivel is unfortunately nothing new. His attitude is VERY representative of the higher ups and the eco-freak boc majority. Go to the audubon society website. You'll find statements made by them that mirror pgcs and rsb in regards to the low view of hunters and the desire to remove them from thesole funding role and remove them further from any management decisionnearly word for word.