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Old 01-06-2009, 02:15 PM
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Here's a link to an article that explains why ARs will eventually result in smaller racks.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177709


The time scale is one reason that most wildlife departments managing hunting harvests simply count the heads each year and decide how many to let hunters bag without thinking about genes. The most popular method of regulating hunting—restricting legal game to males with a minimum antler size—results in populations overrun with females and inferior males, which is ultimately no service to hunters. "The hunters wish for animals with large antlers and large horns, and yet their actions are making that harder to achieve," says Richard Harris, a conservation biologist in Montana. As a hunter, Harris knows that the outcome of this trend will satisfy no one, the Teddy Roosevelts of the next generation least of all.


ARs are the exact opposite of the survival of the fittest and will result in smaller rack sizes, just like they observed in Miss.
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:30 PM
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[&:][&:]i duno if you go by that its the world not just pa or deer so pa ar proba isnt doing all that much
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:34 PM
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The results from Miss. shows that the principle applies to ARs and deer, so why wouldn't it apply to ARs in PA?
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:50 PM
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so let me see if i understand you
if we kill them when there young 1.5 we are going to have larger horns but if we let them go till
there 2.5 + it will make horns smaller is that what your saying bluebird or am i misunderstanding
you
that link went on about elphants and such
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:54 PM
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bluebird2=BS. No offense meant, but that falls under the category of don't believe everything you read. The only way that theory could be true is if the majority of buck allowed to reach 2.5 and older are inferior to begin with. THAT is not believable.


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Old 01-06-2009, 03:28 PM
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so let me see if i understand you
if we kill them when there young 1.5 we are going to have larger horns but if we let them go till
there 2.5 + it will make horns smaller is that what your saying bluebird or am i misunderstanding
you
that link went on about elphants and such
On average, 2.5 buck will always have larger racks than the average 1.5 buck. But the 2.5+ buck produced by an AR herd ,will on average be smaller than a 2.5 buck produced by a non-AR herd.

The last paragraph of the article also talked about deer and the effects of ARs.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: crokit

bluebird2=BS. No offense meant, but that falls under the category of don't believe everything you read. The only way that theory could be true is if the majority of buck allowed to reach 2.5 and older are inferior to begin with. THAT is not believable.

Before you tell some one they are posting BS , you should at least take the time to educate yourself on the subject. If the article was BS ,can you explain why the results of ARs in Miss. support the conclusions of the article?
The only way that theory could be true is if the majority of buck allowed to reach 2.5 and older are inferior to begin with.
The majority of bucks saved by ARs are in fact inferior to the average buck saved in a non-AR herd. The Kroll study in Texas proved spikes were inferior for the rate of antler development.

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Old 01-06-2009, 03:49 PM
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what about the noniferior buck that have already done most of the breeding acorrding to the link
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:56 PM
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The article does not say that superior buck do most of the breeding. What it says is that the bucks saved by ARs are inferior breeders,because on average they are inferior deer, not because they don't do their fair share of the breeding.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:37 PM
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There's no mystery males with big horns tend to be larger and produce larger offspring. During the fall rut, or breeding season, these alpha mate more than any other males, by winning fights or thwarting other males' access to their ewe

bb what do you mean
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