Of course they saw deer and our group saw deer. I posted that my sister missed a buck the first day ,but that was the only legal buck we saw and the only other buck we saw was a small 3 pt. There was very little shooting and I only know of one buck and one doe that were harvested in my immediate area.

boy, i thought my area was bad, i guess its hitting rest of state too.

i have not talked to my pen-dot friends who hunted in 2B the first week to see how they did yet.

Your area sure is bad with all those crews killing all the deer along the roads and mountain lions eating the rest.Funny thing.On saturday I hunted public dmap'dland22 miles from Renovo.That's close to you right?I passed an easy shot at a buck.I also saw another group of 8 deer that I couldn't get a shot at.Then at 10:45am,I snuck up on a bedded doe and killed her on the spot.As I drug her to my truck I saw tracks all over the place.When I got to my truck,there was a doe standing in a springbrowsing on some blackberry bushes.Guess what I didn't see?I didn't see any other hunters,any footprint,no crews driving and no large predator tracks.I founddeer where I expected to find them this time of year and I found alot of evidence that I missed alot more than I saw.In three days of hunting public land in 2G,I killed two doe and had to pass on three bucks.Supposedly 2G has the worst hunting in the state.If that's the case,thewhining I hear in totaly unwarranted because I just finsihed up one of the best seasons I've ever had.

Having a bad year Doug? You hunted three days and only killed two deer, I thought you killed a deer every time you stepped into the woods.

Nope Bob,Like I said,ity was one of the best years I ever had.i killed a 7 point and three doe during archery season.That's why I had to pass on the bucks I saw up in Sproul's neck of the woods.

I hunted three days during rifle season and kiled two deer.I saw many more and few hunters.All three days were spent on public dmap's property where so many claim there's no deer.You constantly complain that the only good hunting is on private land with restricted access.As youlike to say,that's the future of hunting in Pa.Once again,you're still dead wrong.I bet I saw more deer and passed on more bucks that you did on your little private piece.

BB2 you have a PM.

Doug shooting a buck every year does impress me, but since I started hunting my own property, shootin a doe or multiples doesn't.

This year we didn't see a buck for three people hunting the first day plus my ten year old grandson, but we only hunted in the morning and evening for a total of six hours. While we were at the house, a Y buck and doe ran pst the stand the son and grsndson were in, within ten yards at 11:38, they showed up on the scouting camera. After the first day I hunted seven evening for two hours, for a total of around 20 hours for the season. My toal deer seen was in the twenties, but I'm sure I saw many of those deer more than once, even though I saw them as singles, three, four, five and one time seven together.

As I was buck hunting each time I went out, I didn't take a doe until 4:50 on the last day.

I could sit in one of my stands watching the field and woods from dawn to dusk each day, might have a seen another deer or two. Our deer here in the farm country have all the food they want, they don't move during the daylight hours when there are any hunters around. On the other hand, your big woods has no cover or feed for the deer, they must move a lot moreto try and get a stomach full of browse.

Now it cost me over a thousand dollars each year, taxes, lost rental income, food plots and equipment, to hunt for a possible buck and harvest a doe each year. But I still feel a hunter should only shoot a buck and a doe when he doesn't harvest a buck, no matter how much he has invested in hunting.

Now i'm restricted to hunting my 12 1/2 acres, with the other fifty some being mostly fields and the woods being in a safety zone. You wouldn't enjoy hunting here and I wouldn't enjoy hunting you big woods. Never wanted to hunt the big woods when there were lots of those stunted deer.

I would take the future of hunting big woods public land any day over hunting 12 acres in my back yard.If you think that's the future of hunting in Pa,that is depressing.Every year I kill a gobbler on public land and several deer.I never get harrassed by other hunter or landowners and rarely ever see another person.I hunt where deer should actually be and I see and harvest multiple deer every year.Most years I also get to partcipate in some successful bear hunts.All that for the price of a residenthunting lisence.Pa. sure is a great state to live and hunt in.Thank you PGC and DCNR for the endless opportunities to enjoy this beautiful part of the state for little to no money.

Doug what are you seeing for grouse? My old dog passed and I'm starting a pup,birds are scarce here but I'm heading east some where got any suggestions?

Very few grouse this year.I jumped a bunch in one spot this year but can't remember where it was.