Pa hunter numbers, is doomsday really here?
#161
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Can you explain how 950K hunters are supposed to adapt to having 600,000 fewer deer to hunt and 94,000 fewer buck to harvest?
The loudest cries of no deer often (not always but often) come from those that simply won't adapt.
#162
Nontypical Buck
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The sport of hunting, and the future role of hunters as wildilfe managers will be better off for the loss of that small percentage of one day hunters who won't adapt.
#163
I don't see #'s changing dramatically neither hunters, deer or doe tags.As the PGC deals with money woes the cash cow is doe tags,no way are they going to lose that cash,even if a license increase is passed tags will not be decreased by any meaningful number.I can see the first week delay in antler less deer season being spread across more WMU before tag #'s are decreased.
As hunters we have little to no say in how day to day expenditures are used.Studies on wood rats and bird counts are for more important than hunter satisfaction.Even supporters of HR are now beginning to see lower numbers than are perceived necessary for habitat improvements.
The heads of the PGC are perceived to be out of touch and beyond question when it comes to the deer wars in PA.And with the likes of Dead Dear arm chair quarter backing them, no decision will ever be the right one.
As hunters we have little to no say in how day to day expenditures are used.Studies on wood rats and bird counts are for more important than hunter satisfaction.Even supporters of HR are now beginning to see lower numbers than are perceived necessary for habitat improvements.
The heads of the PGC are perceived to be out of touch and beyond question when it comes to the deer wars in PA.And with the likes of Dead Dear arm chair quarter backing them, no decision will ever be the right one.
#164
Nontypical Buck
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Larry's philosophy is to manage the herd in a fashion similar to beef or poultry farming. The goal is production FOREMOST and thereis never any mature stock.
A manner that also mirrors the trout stocking program except the farming of the stock is done at large. Other than that, there are few differences. Whitetail deer did not live at numbers like that in pre-colonial days. I like to see a wide age class in the deer herd. To hunt them in a natural state. That is why I gavitated to bowhunting. Until I bowhunted, I never realized how whitetails actually acted. Until that time, I thought they ran cross-country with their tongues hanging out at all times.
A manner that also mirrors the trout stocking program except the farming of the stock is done at large. Other than that, there are few differences. Whitetail deer did not live at numbers like that in pre-colonial days. I like to see a wide age class in the deer herd. To hunt them in a natural state. That is why I gavitated to bowhunting. Until I bowhunted, I never realized how whitetails actually acted. Until that time, I thought they ran cross-country with their tongues hanging out at all times.
#165
Nontypical Buck
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I like to see a wide age class in the deer herd. To hunt them in a natural state
#167
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
If you really wanted to hunt them in the natural state you would be against ARs. Nature does not harvest the best buck in each age class while protecting inferior buck. What you want is a herd where it is easier to harvest a buck with a big rack,at the expenses of proper deer management and the future of hunting in PA.
I like to see a wide age class in the deer herd. To hunt them in a natural state
#168
Nontypical Buck
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And proper managment in your mind is killing 80% of the 1 1/2 year old bucks every year
#169
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Without a doubt that is proper deer management when you have 1M deer hunters. It worked for over 70 years with no adverse effect on the health of our herd. but since ARs were implemented have decreased breeding rates, decreased productivity and decreased recruitment which results in much lower sustainable buck and doe harvests.
And proper managment in your mind is killing 80% of the 1 1/2 year old bucks every year
#170
Nontypical Buck
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The free ride you had for way too long is over. get over it and move on.


