I said theyhaveexcellent records of the regeneration,not excellent regeneration.

Nope,that's not what I'm saying.Are you saying that thedeer herdshould be managed to extremes where the only regeneration occuring is non-preferred browse species that have little commercial value?

No, I am saying there are other measures that can be taken to improve regeneration besides just killing more deer.

Yes there are.Problem is,DCNR is onlyallowed to cut 70 acres at a time.When you horrible,overbrowsed habitat like we're faced with,a relatively small number of deer will quickly wipe out any preferred regeneration.That's why they fence.There's a big differance between managing habitat that's not overbrowsed and managing habitat that's been overbrowsed for decades.

Please cite the law that prevents DCNR from cutting more than 70 acres. Is there a similar law that prevents from using lime and fertilizer? Is there a law that prevents them from doing TSI in adjoining stands prior to a cut?

The fenced exclosures prove that years of over browsing has little effect on a stands ability to regenerate after a cut and the herd in 2G is less than half what it was back in the early 80% when 72% of the plots generated successfully.

you are right on 1 point,DCNR will not cut or do a little cutting to benefit deer.
on your comment on deer overbrowsing,IF SUN DOES NOT HIT GROUND,ONLY FERNS WILL GROW.

you know that.

read my observation on SGL252 in lycoming county.

best habitat you could ever have and very few deer.

we are OVERHARVESTING our deer even in best habitat .

onstateforestland,even with best habitat,if hunters in crews go from area to area like i am seeing, no way hunting deer will ever improve.

if only 1` tag was allowed and you had to leave woods after getting your deer,no driving deer, no using buddies tags in gangs,no brown its down with kids tag thing now happening,

i think, maybe, just maybe deer could come back a little.

but when you see crews last year with 20 hunters only getting 7 deer all week and some 1 deer, makes you wonder if any suggestion will work.

The way things are right now with the PGC ,the only way the herd will be allowed to increase is if enough hunters quit and there aren't enough remaining hunters to control the herd. However, if the USP's attorney does a good job of presenting their case, you just might see some changes.