Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
#171
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
ORIGINAL: livbucks
Bob, just imagine walking onto a property well before first light, that you have permission to hunt, ,that you grew up in those woods, and watch out for the elderly landowners, and see a Durango sitting with the doors wide open and nobody around. Then you proceed to your stand and see flashlights off in the woods. You go to your stand and after dawns comes, a duo appears under your stand and the scenario I related unfolds.
I was very fair to them. I asked that they finish out their hunt for the day, but please never return. It was after that they abandoned the trailing of the doe and to my complete and utter astonishment, went back to their spots and resumed hunting!!!!
We found out who they were after that, and sent an additional stern message that they never be caught on the property ever again.
Do you know why they were there?? They saw a nice 8-point cross the road there one night and arbitrarily decided to go hunt the property, without a care as to whether they were permitted to do so.
Bob, just imagine walking onto a property well before first light, that you have permission to hunt, ,that you grew up in those woods, and watch out for the elderly landowners, and see a Durango sitting with the doors wide open and nobody around. Then you proceed to your stand and see flashlights off in the woods. You go to your stand and after dawns comes, a duo appears under your stand and the scenario I related unfolds.
I was very fair to them. I asked that they finish out their hunt for the day, but please never return. It was after that they abandoned the trailing of the doe and to my complete and utter astonishment, went back to their spots and resumed hunting!!!!
We found out who they were after that, and sent an additional stern message that they never be caught on the property ever again.
Do you know why they were there?? They saw a nice 8-point cross the road there one night and arbitrarily decided to go hunt the property, without a care as to whether they were permitted to do so.
now, i dont want to go into this as i have friends over on crossbow topic that asked that i dont tell what i see because it will hurt crossbow hunting .so ,i wont.
i do see a LOT of old FARTS,now dont jump on me, only adding a little humor gettinga doe and some got some real nice bucks last year in archery.
they have time to sit all day while others cant and go to work,so crossbow got them into woods and most gave up archery or never used bow before.
crossbow is getting more hunters into archery season, A LOT MORE.
they are getting a deer,for sure.
#172
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Ohio,mid
Posts: 1,275
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
You want education, get it on the books. It is like the 3 day waiting period for a gun. I shoot multiple types of stringed weapons, I still have to practice, I still have to use woodsmanship and courtesy in the woods. When you start out a story in a discussion about 2 guys w/Xbows you have demonized the weapon not the people pulling the trigger or trigger release. You are demonizing the person behind the sights, whatever. It's the people not the weapon. Greg I assume does not have a clue if these guys practiced or what, he laid smack on the fact that they had Xbows! They were slob hunters, no matter what they carried and that detail did not come out until he restated the incident in his second capped email. No no aplogy because it was not a Xbow faulted incident it was slob hunters and his trying to tie that in w/ the hated Xbows and how they make people crazy in the woods. Please...... So what I can see is Hunters Ed for newcomers and were good to go, no restrictions of hunting dates and bow is a bow is a bow. Good luck w/those new fangled hunting bows, w/all the let off, scopes, sights, whiskers, pulleys titanium and whatever else makes it quicker, quieter and faster than my old Xbow. Before you start berating a hunting type, come w/ the facts not tales of "2 hunters and ?? bow", it affects us all!
#173
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
Good luck w/those new fangled hunting bows, w/all the let off, scopes, sights, whiskers, pulleys titanium and whatever else makes it quicker, quieter and faster than my old Xbow. Before you start berating a hunting type, come w/ the facts not tales of "2 hunters and ?? bow", it affects us all!
So what is your complaint about the ages old Xbow technology and your fairly new technology Compound bow, or is it someone came into your entitled area?????????? This is laughable , Bud!
#175
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
ORIGINAL: Buck Hunter 1
You want education, get it on the books. It is like the 3 day waiting period for a gun. I shoot multiple types of stringed weapons, I still have to practice, I still have to use woodsmanship and courtesy in the woods. When you start out a story in a discussion about 2 guys w/Xbows you have demonized the weapon not the people pulling the trigger or trigger release. You are demonizing the person behind the sights, whatever. It's the people not the weapon. Greg I assume does not have a clue if these guys practiced or what, he laid smack on the fact that they had Xbows! They were slob hunters, no matter what they carried and that detail did not come out until he restated the incident in his second capped email. No no aplogy because it was not a Xbow faulted incident it was slob hunters and his trying to tie that in w/ the hated Xbows and how they make people crazy in the woods. Please...... So what I can see is Hunters Ed for newcomers and were good to go, no restrictions of hunting dates and bow is a bow is a bow. Good luck w/those new fangled hunting bows, w/all the let off, scopes, sights, whiskers, pulleys titanium and whatever else makes it quicker, quieter and faster than my old Xbow. Before you start berating a hunting type, come w/ the facts not tales of "2 hunters and ?? bow", it affects us all!
You want education, get it on the books. It is like the 3 day waiting period for a gun. I shoot multiple types of stringed weapons, I still have to practice, I still have to use woodsmanship and courtesy in the woods. When you start out a story in a discussion about 2 guys w/Xbows you have demonized the weapon not the people pulling the trigger or trigger release. You are demonizing the person behind the sights, whatever. It's the people not the weapon. Greg I assume does not have a clue if these guys practiced or what, he laid smack on the fact that they had Xbows! They were slob hunters, no matter what they carried and that detail did not come out until he restated the incident in his second capped email. No no aplogy because it was not a Xbow faulted incident it was slob hunters and his trying to tie that in w/ the hated Xbows and how they make people crazy in the woods. Please...... So what I can see is Hunters Ed for newcomers and were good to go, no restrictions of hunting dates and bow is a bow is a bow. Good luck w/those new fangled hunting bows, w/all the let off, scopes, sights, whiskers, pulleys titanium and whatever else makes it quicker, quieter and faster than my old Xbow. Before you start berating a hunting type, come w/ the facts not tales of "2 hunters and ?? bow", it affects us all!
I'm leaning toward continuing toresist the crossbow until sufficient studies regarding their effect are done on the areas where they ae now legal and until we have mandatory, meaningful bowhunter education requirements in place.
#176
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,236
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
Devices that hold aBOW at full draw are illegal in PA.
Now they want to permit a tool that not only holds the draw, but also shoulders as a gun and fires by trigger like a gun.
All it is, seems to me, is a big marketing ploy by the manufacturers.
I don't see a groundswell of demand by the hunters that I speak to.
I wouldn't be surprised if the vocal proponents on many of these forums were company reps.
Now they want to permit a tool that not only holds the draw, but also shoulders as a gun and fires by trigger like a gun.
All it is, seems to me, is a big marketing ploy by the manufacturers.
I don't see a groundswell of demand by the hunters that I speak to.
I wouldn't be surprised if the vocal proponents on many of these forums were company reps.
#177
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Ohio,mid
Posts: 1,275
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
Nope, not a rep only wished i was. Could get to shoot the latest and greatest. Just a hard hunter who stinks like fox piss or skunk piss, and has a wife who won't get in the truck cause it smells like whe dows't know what. But Livucks, I hate it when people do anything possible to do what I don't know what w/ vague words. BTB stuck a good word for you, but generalized comments w/ no proof like this get me riled again. Good Luck to you and the minority, I'm tuning the Xbow and leaving the Compound in the safe this year. Anyone know of any Xbow organizations I can get my family and friends to join let me know. This is the kind of person your going to have to deal w/ in getting the right to hunt Xbow in 2008 latest 2009. BTB want me to apologize again for his generalization?
#178
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
BT just reminded me that bowhunters have left themselves wide open for the introduction of X-bows by harvesting 25 % of the buck harvest but only 16% of the antlerless harvest. The preseason antlered to antlerless ration is around 1 antlered to 3 or 4 antlerless ,yet archers only harvested 6050 more antlerless than buck. That means ,on average they passed on one heck of a lot of antlerless deer while waiting for that AR legal buck.
#179
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,236
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
BT just reminded me that bowhunters have left themselves wide open for the introduction of X-bows by harvesting 25 % of the buck harvest but only 16% of the antlerless harvest. The preseason antlered to antlerless ration is around 1 antlered to 3 or 4 antlerless ,yet archers only harvested 6050 more antlerless than buck. That means ,on average they passed on one heck of a lot of antlerless deer while waiting for that AR legal buck.
BT just reminded me that bowhunters have left themselves wide open for the introduction of X-bows by harvesting 25 % of the buck harvest but only 16% of the antlerless harvest. The preseason antlered to antlerless ration is around 1 antlered to 3 or 4 antlerless ,yet archers only harvested 6050 more antlerless than buck. That means ,on average they passed on one heck of a lot of antlerless deer while waiting for that AR legal buck.
Refigure your numbers and get that info to me, OK?
You don't figure them buttons as does in your b/d ratio, do you?
#180
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,236
RE: Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
Anyone know of any Xbow organizations I can get my family and friends to join let me know.
That is just my opinion though.